
Tyler Perry’s Viral Podcast Clip Sparks Major Online Controversy
*A clip from the July 20 (2025) episode of Kirk Franklin’s podcast Den of Kings went viral. In it, Tyler Perry discussed advising Ryan Coogler on securing an unprecedented ownership deal for his film “Sinners.”
Perry said he called Coogler after Black Panther to share advice on negotiating ownership rights.
Perry compared his advice to strategies he used for his Madea franchise 20 years ago. He stressed the importance of ownership for Black creatives, citing his early experience with “Diary of a Mad Black Woman.”
Perry applauded Coogler’s success in negotiating with Warner Bros. for rare rights, including final cut control and eventual ownership.
Sinners, a Southern Gothic horror film, released on April 18, 2025, grossed over $365 million globally against a $90 million budget. This made it one of the highest-grossing original Black films ever, cementing Coogler’s reputation as a trailblazing filmmaker.
Tyler Perry said he helped Ryan Coogler get ownership for Sinners, the film has now made over $400 million and became the highest grossing original black film:
“Everybody talking about this deal Ryan Coogler had for Sinners, the deal that he has I did that almost 20 years ago… pic.twitter.com/FKJaI0exb8
— Ahmed/The Ears/IG: BigBizTheGod ?? (@big_business_) July 25, 2025
Fans Accuse Tyler Perry Of Taking Credit For Ryan Coogler
Some social media users accused Tyler Perry of making the moment about himself. Critics on X argued his tone suggested jealousy or self-promotion rather than genuine mentorship. Several claimed Perry implied he was instrumental in Coogler’s deal without public acknowledgment from Coogler.
Others pointed out that Christopher Nolan reportedly gave Coogler similar advice. Posts contrasted Perry’s public comments with actors like Denzel Washington, who quietly supported stars like Chadwick Boseman without seeking credit. One viral comment read, “Tyler Perry definitely thinks he’s the smartest Black person in the room at all times.”
Another user wrote that Perry revealed “unseen details” Coogler himself had not shared. This fueled concerns that Perry overshadowed Coogler’s achievement by framing the narrative around his own mentorship.
Supporters Praise Perry’s Mentorship And Advocacy For Black Ownership
Not all reactions were critical. Many fans defended Perry, saying his comments celebrated Coogler’s groundbreaking achievement. They argued that Perry’s mentorship and advocacy for Black ownership in Hollywood have historically empowered new filmmakers.

Supporters highlighted the rarity of Coogler’s deal, which included first-dollar gross points and eventual full ownership. They argued Perry’s advice may have been pivotal in helping Coogler negotiate terms almost unheard of for Black directors in Hollywood.
Sinners also carried personal weight for Coogler, inspired by his family’s roots in 1930s Mississippi. Supporters noted that Perry’s emphasis on ownership echoed the film’s deeply personal significance and the broader fight for creative control among Black artists.
Debate Over Credit, Mentorship, And Hollywood Power Dynamics
The controversy underscores larger conversations about credit and mentorship in Hollywood. Perry’s critics see his comments as overshadowing Coogler’s historic win. His supporters see him as amplifying the importance of Black filmmakers owning their work.
As of now, Ryan Coogler has not publicly responded to Perry’s comments. His silence has fueled further debate about whether Perry overstepped by sharing private conversations. The discourse reflects long-standing tensions over public recognition and private mentorship among high-profile Black creatives.
Regardless of perception, the success of Sinners represents a major milestone. Both Perry and Coogler’s careers continue to shape the ongoing fight for equity and ownership in Hollywood storytelling.
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