*Michelle Obama opened up about her experiences with racism as First Lady during the latest episode of “The Michelle Obama Podcast.”
While chatting with friends Denielle Pemberton-Heard, Dr. Sharon Malone, and Kelly Dibble, Obama recalled an incident at a Haagen-Dazs ice cream shop with her daughter Sasha and Malia.
“We had just finished taking the girls to a soccer game,” Obama said. “We were stopping to get ice cream, and I had told the Secret Service to stand back because we were trying to be normal, trying to go in.”
“There was a line, and once again, when I’m just a Black woman, I notice that white people don’t even see me. They’re not even looking at me. So I’m standing there with two little Black girls, another Black female adult, they’re in soccer uniforms, and a white woman cuts right in front of us to order. Like she didn’t even see us,” she continued, Complex reports.
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Obama went to say, “So I stepped up, and I said, ‘Excuse me?’ I was like, ‘You don’t see us four people standing right here, you just jumped in line?’” she added. “She didn’t apologize, she never looked me in my eye, she didn’t know it was me. All she saw was a Black person, or a group of Black people, or maybe she didn’t even see that because we were that invisible.”
“I can tell you a number of stories like that when I’ve been completely incognito, during the eight years in the White House, walking the dogs on the canal, people will come up and pet my dogs but will not look me in the eye. They don’t know it’s me.”
Obama continued, “What white folks don’t understand, it’s like that is so telling of how white America views people who are not like them,” she said. “You know, we don’t exist. And when we do exist, we exist as a threat. And that, that’s exhausting.”
She also noted the importance of having close Black friends. “My girlfriend group, while it is diverse, it has been so important for me to have Black women in my crew.”
“There’s a certain relief that comes when you don’t have to walk into your friend group and explain yourself,” she said. “My group of female friends aren’t calling me to say, ‘What can I do?’ You guys are calling me to say, ‘How you doin’ girl?’ You know, ‘let’s talk.’”
You can listen to the episode below, or click here.