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McNasty
Comment: He should have gotten more time - as much for the fact that this shouldn't be happening in 2008 as for the crime itself!
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FiveMore
Comment: Uhmmm, let's see how many nooses his scary tale will make behind those bars.Doesn't he know that the prisons are filled with black people and those people watch a whole lot of televison too!SMH @ 4 months in the pen!
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DOne
Comment: I actually have a big problem with this conviction. If it was in his truck, then it was on his property. No matter how despicable, I have an issue with someone being imprisoned for showing a symbol, even a symbol of hate. These type of rulings can easily backfire against us. So if a black person was to show a black power sign doing some type of protest rally with a bunch of whites, could that be called intimidation. Of course we know the difference given the historical context; however, a lawyer could still argue either way.
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McNasty
Comment: The black power symbol in any form had is not a symbol of hate and has nothing to do with hate. I find it disconcerting that you would even bring that comparison to the board to try and justify your remarks. Had his nooses hung on his truck been sittin' his driveway instead of driving all over town and through the Jena6 rally his as.s wouldn't be in jail. His intent was to offend and while your remarks prolly weren't - they do!
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DOne
Comment: <McNasty, you and I both know that it has nothing to do with hate, however, that won't stop some white person from making that arugment or saying that they felt threatened. And of course his intent was to offend; he's an ignorant bigot, but that's not enough to jail someone in my opinion nor is offending a group of people. If this case is appealled, I bet there's a good chance it will be overturned. We cannot expect the government to make the same fine, distinctions that you and I do. It's easy to get emotional,rather than looking at the legal implications of this case rationally. However, big deal if one or two white boys get locked up if the government is able to use the same law to turn around and lock up 100s of blacks.
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musbdherbs
Comment: DOne..despite the emotional aspect, there are things that are allowed/not allowed under current law. That does not mean laws can't be changed. See genarlow wilson. I agree that it is a bit jarring to see you make a comparison between a black power fist and a noose when no one has been killed under the premise of the former. I don't see how this could backfire against blacks tho'..still dont understand that one.
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DOne
Comment: < musb, my point was that in this case, it's not the symbol that's illegal, it's the act of intimidation. Well, intimidation is subjective. It only requires that the victims felt intimidated. Maybe a better example would be if there was a block party in a high crime neighborhood and someone drove by and flashed a gang sign, even if the person driving by doesn't really plan on doing anything to anyone, is it enough to jail him just because the neighbors felt that it was intimidation. My only point with the black power fist is that some whites would view it as intimidation, even though we know that's not the case. Hell, if you went to some republican rally with a X t-shirt, it would scare some ignorant whites. I just have an issue with jailing someone for intimidation unless there is evidence that they actuall planned to act on it; it's a very slippery slope.
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: DOne... The man was not just "showing a symbol" as you put it. His actions were similar to screaming "fire" in a crowded theater. It was dangerous, a threat to public safety, and a racially intimidating act. He deserves all of that 4 months he got... maybe even more.
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adifferentpath
Comment: DOne, I see where you're coming from. Now, with that said, I look forward to his arts and crafts skills in lockdown.
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Angel
Comment: DOne - I totally agree. This is a slippery slope. The dude in the truck deserved his azz kicked and that noose tied around his balls, no doubt. HOWEVER, this conviction can backfire. I mean if he would've had a gun hanging from a gun rack, that's more intimidating, to me, than a noose because at any time he could have pulled the gun down and start shooting at folks. I wish he would've gotten out of that truck, 6 against 1, holding that noose. Something tells me he would have ended up wearing it.
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Angel
Comment: DoctorSmooth - Yelling fire in a theater is not a good comparison. The reason why yelling fire in a theater is dangerous is because it's dark and would lead to panic which could lead to folks getting trampled and what not. There is an immediate affect of danger or harm. A dude driving by with a noose on his truck does not have that affect. It would not cause people to run amok in a widespread panic believing their lives were in immediate danger. Was it intimidating? Yes, but I think we have to look at the bigger picture and see just how such a verdict can be used against us in the future. Personally, I don't think we want to open that door.
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DOne
Comment: <Doctor, I really disagree. That argument would stand if he was really trying to incite a riot or something, but let's face; he was trying to insult blackpeople and pizz us off which he succeeded, because if he really wanted to start something he would have stopped and gotten out of the truck. This is no different then when people want to try to ban certain types of speech, but then one of us makes some off colored remarked and then it's thrown back at us.
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amethyst
Comment: What's ironic is that he got some time (minimal IMO), while the white guy who did pull a shotgun on some of the Jena 6 guys faced no charges. As a matter of fact, the guys were charged because I think they kicked his butt. Maybe this isn't the best use of this particular law, but I ain't crying over it. I do hope it won't be used against some decent folks in the future.
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McNasty
Comment: Flashing gang signs will get you locked up for the intent to incite a riot which is what it would be. Riding through a black rally or through a black neighborhood with nooses hanging from your truck is no more a slippery a slope than some red neck walking up in your face and spatting nicca! Don't get it twisted - it is governed and it is considered a hate crime! Too, unless you're waving that black power fist in someone's face - where's the intimidation?
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princessdrre
Comment: Him gonna get his butt tore in jail. They gonna show him what a "noose" feels like. Po' thang. Even the Aryan Brotherhood ain't gonna want him in jail...too much "attention"...
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