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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: REGGIE: Debra, what we gonna do? These ghetto niggz, getting on my last nerves with these blogs, calling advertisers, writing letters & shyt. Most of them don't have a pot to %*$! in and they messin' up my flow trynna get mine...Low class ghettofied... (SMH) They need to be happy they have a network with Black people in it. Nigz always trynna keep each other down!"---DEBRA: Reggie, calm down. Let's just change the name, you know it don't take much to appease us...they'll just THINK they won. They want us to do better, let's just call it that. We still makin' money, the advertisers come back, everybody happy on the plantation, and we still livin in the big HOUSE. REGGIE: You right baby! I'll have our atty. contact the advertisers and publicists. Good idea, I knew we'd make a good team. Now get your sexy booty back to bed and let BIG DADDY show you how I gots to do better! Heh HEH;-) You sure are fine baby! DEBRA: Oh Reggie...tee hee...you know it's all about the money! We gonna be rollin in it!
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pdub
Comment: Okay, the name is changed, but the content is still the same. Why are they trying to hoodwink the viewing public? BET is reaaallllyyy trying to get us to drink the Kool-aid!
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TGen
Comment: Excellent posts ChocolateBrownGal (lol)and pdub. I'm trying to think of how to articulate my thoughts, hmmm... Okay, bottom line, I'll grant that the name change is a clever move, at least it's consistent with their [ridiculous] claim that the show's purpose was to provide a mirror for the community to see itself and improve itself. I'll grant that. But PLEASE STOP trying to pull the okey-doke, I mean can you be any more insulting to think that Black folks will not take issue with it being the SAME CONTENT and thus have the SAME EFFECT--making Black folks look like straight clowns to the larger society? (And btw, HELL YES it matters how "others" perceive you.) *Sigh* But alas, the BET folks are right about one thing, "we GOT to do better" and getting rid of this debacle of so-called representation of Black culture would go a long way in that direction. At least we should make them change their name, get rid of the "Black." You would NOT find others (Jews come to mind) with a station named after their race profiling trash after trash after trash (not just this show, but the videos and such). Black folks need to reclaim their name and their [pride] in Blackness...let NO ONE highjack their culture ever again. I digress though cuz I could go on and on...
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DrKnowItAll
Comment: No Teen Summit?? No nightly news? No show aimed at social commentary ie Tavis Smiley??? Yes to Hot Ghetto Mess aka We Got To do Better!!!!! Who needs that other CRAP??!!!!! Debra and Reggie, listen up... YOU GOT TO DO BETTER!!!!!!! Ebonics and all!!!....This is the most ridiculous crap I've seen in a minute... Look at the new name of the show... I swear BET is the worst channel on tv right now and the execs are no better... I'd watch VH1 Soul or MTV2 in a heartbeat before I flip to BET...
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McNasty
Comment: I don't give a flying fig what they name it - having heard Charlie Murphy on 106 & Park yesterday try to justify this bullshat yet again confirms that this madness does not belong on tv. He said that it was a way to say in an admonishing way 'just look at yourself' and is meant as entertainment. Too bad he doesn't realize that it cannot be both - proves even he knows that this is wrong on so many levels and in all languages. BOYCOTT BET!!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: a hot ghetto mess by any other name is still a hot ghetto mess . . . if the point is that we have to do better, then why not take the message to the schools, churches, community town halls, and such . . . and I respond: stank rapacious capitalism
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soulmusic101
Comment: Darkness...is hosting...let me set my TIVO.
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soulmusic101
Comment: McNasty...what was the #1 Video on 106th and Park...I haven't checked out that show since A.J. and Free were hosting...LOL
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Renetta
Comment: It's not just the title, it's the content. And there's something awfully smug about anyone feeling they have the right to point fingers and judge someone else. People don't have to change because some network exec doesn't like the way they dress or carry themselves. These are grown adults and if they aren't shooting anyone or breaking any laws, leave them the fck alone. What do you care about how they dress? Shyt, look in your own household and take care of your own business. Instead of trying to solve other people's problems, BET should look in THEIR network programming FIRST, before turning the spotlight on others...
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realuvbaby
Comment: Good Morning Folk, is it just me or is this a "Oh no, they di-ent." Are black folk that dumb? If you have a choice of putting something positive or something negative on, why choose negativity. Cuz as homegirl says in the first post, b/c it's all about $$$ everybody it the bed together. And there's no respect for the intellect of black folk. As I said before, NO EXCUSE. This type of programming has absolutely NO VALUE. If you want folk to do better, why not an example of WHAT SHOULD BE instead of this mess. Once you put the images out there, it's out there. And this would be ok, I guess, if black folk were the ONLY folk watching. But the world is watching. The world is judging. If nothing else the world is wondering, how in the hey-yall do you stand for something like this? See? When you try to insult my INTELLIGENCE, then you got a fight on your hands. Nice try BET, but Alex, could you sell them a clue for $1,000.
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realuvbaby
Comment: Additionally, the early misperceptions about the show and its title were diverting attention from the overall original programming strategy we’ve begun implementing at BET Networks – which is to deliver smart, creative shows that explore the full range of the Black experience. But BET, trust and believe that the entire black experience is not defined in the 9 to 35 year old demographic. Matter of fact, many people making it happen ain't sittin they azzes home watching TV, though nothing is wrong with watching TV. But if this is the best that can be done for BLACK ENTERTAINMENT, then it's true. My people will perish for lack of wisdom. SMH. Question - Just who are you trying to tell black folk got to do better. I think you should turn the mirror around and look at yourself and understand that BET has GOT TO DO BETTER.
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: Thank you, BET, for the slight of hand. You've turned a turd into a BabyRuth, perhaps even a Snickers. However, a rose, by any other name, is still a rose. From shyt to sugar, what a difference losing an advertiser can make. Oh, dem dollars! But forget all that. What the hell do you mean, we got to do better? We who? I don't live in a socially-politically-economically deprived region (READ: ghetto). We? Where do you get off lumping folks into one single category? Again, who is "we"? People get down the way they get down because of how much education they do or don't have, because of how much money they do or don't have, because of the amount of exposure they do or don't have. You can't lump us. That's the problem right there. Here's a kicker: Hot Middle-Class Mess: Daddy's on the dl, Mama is holdin' everything down, but seething in her genes is cancer from all the stress, Big Brotha pretends like he's going to class, but he's really going to the rockhouse, Lil Brotha is about to create some grandparents, Big Sista is frontin' like that subprime loan ain't about to drown her azz straight out of the middle-class, Lil Sista got straight A's, however, she's startin' to lose interest in the books 'cause that lil small-waisted, bow-legged kat with that gold tooth been tellin' her that she's gonna be his...and she no longer has the ability to ignore the way his pants stick out in the front AND in the back; plus, the pet dog has arthritis. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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butterpecanrican
Comment: Charlie Murphy looks a H.G.M. in that photo!
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khufu
Comment: i agree with everything yall don' said so all I have to say is this....what they are proposing is an insult to Black people! May their ancestors visit they azzez and put foot up they azzes.....
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TAZBABY
Comment: I am ashamed of BET *SMH*
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Soulwriter
Comment: CHOCOLATE BROWNGAL HAS ALREADY KILLED ME FOR THE DAY.....LOVE IT!!!
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McNasty
Comment: Soulmusic I was channel surfing and happened upon his interview I don't actually sit and watch that madness. They made a huge mistake getting rid of Free and AJ and for the life of me I can't watch long enough to give them justifiable numbers.
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khufu
Comment: with your permission MCNASTY I have got to reprint your comments from the other post: "Name: McNasty
Comment: We keep catering to and giving air and face time to the lowest of the low and then we complain about not enough quality black television but giving the numbers to shat like this."
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khufu
Comment: if there was no demand their would be no supply.....we have got to stop watching this BS and start protesting more.....the power belongs to the viewers
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dakoolestkat
Comment: ChocolateBrowngal you almost made spit my hot coffee from laughing..anyway taking trash out of a dirty trash can and putting it in a "clean" trash can does no good...the inside still remains TRASH
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cuteleggs
Comment: Boy did I call that one. I knew they were gonna change the name. Had that been the original name it would not have blown up in their faces the way it did. However, the content is still the same and yes, we still know it is a Hot Ghetto Mess!
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whatthefu918
Comment: just out of curiosity: can we sue BET, maybe some kinda class action suit, to keep this trash off the air? if we were to get one of the people who are negatively portrayed and is angry about it and made them a party to it, would that help? i know you probably can't, but hell - i figure you can sue for everything else in this country,why not to save the dignity of an entire race?
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TGen
Comment: Renatta, great post. I had not even thought of that angle. It had been a foregone conclusion that these people being profiled needed to change...but you point out the idea that who is anyone to tell anyone else they need to change, given that the other person is not harming anyone and is happy with life. Great angle...
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katgrrrl
Comment: This is up there with Imus gettin' a black sidekick. They are really tryin' to play us for some fools. What's next? The Klan in FUBU instead of white hoods? WINDOW DRESSING!
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khufu
Comment: WHAT...interesting? you can sue anyone for anything...you might be able to file a "symbolic" lawsuit......also you can file complaints with the Federal Communications Commission......also write the sponsors of the show complaining and threatening to boycott their products
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indipindintthnkr
Comment: LOL @ ChocolateBrownGal and michaelollieclayton!!!! So true
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cassie811
Comment: michaelollieclayton that was way too on point! LOL, that family you described could easily be my next door neighbors.
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indipindintthnkr
Comment: @ Renetta & TGen great post. With the exception of Debra, the white execs at BET are saying 'WE' as in Us Black folk, not they as in them White folk have got to do better. Now that I think about it, that's some crazy arogant shyt.
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dede0320
Comment: This is really crazy, racism is rearing its ugly head, it has never gone away, but they are now so open with it...As usual we help them...ChocBrwn girl that was really on point, katgirl too funny..I'm just really surprised as how far BET has sunk..this crazy stuff they are putting on the air???? DL Fughley was on the radio and Houston 1 day last week, and he had said that we as black people and the NAACP are responsible for no black shows being on the air, becuase we have complained to much, and he said some other things..I know he has a show also coming out called S.O.B. on BET, what do you all think, what about that show...just wanting to know your opinion, mine is is you think it is socially offensive , why would I want to hear it?thats just my opinion...
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Pammy
Comment: The creator of this show did an interview on-line for the Washington Post and the questions/statements pretty much mirror what is being said here. To read it, go to TV Tattle.com and scroll down to BET "hot ghetto mess defends show". Very interesting Conversation. I'll try to post a few things this lady said.
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nycGYRL888
Comment: This show will not last like the other crap they've been trying to feed us! All BET ever does is try to take an MTV or VH-1 show and make it black! I don't have a problem with positive representation of our race, but, what positivity will come from airing the crap thats been circulating the net for years (ghetto proms, weddings and fights)?? They also need to re-visit the platform for the nightly game show they have with Tocara and that other dude. Its a waste of time and is poorly distributed over the airwaves!! BET has enough money to make quality programming...why they insist on rubbing elbows with the masses is beyond me. Taking heed from their new title, I will start by saying "I will do better" by not watching this or any other garbage program they decide to serve up as quality programming!!
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katgrrrl
Comment: DEDE0320: "DL Fughley"! Now, THAT's too funny, LMAO!
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butterpecanrican
Comment: *Harriet Tubman once reflected wistfully, “If I could have convinced more slaves that they were slaves, I could have freed thousands more.”
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LA2ATL1999
Comment: Where is the letter from Al Sharpton and Russell Simmons? I have been waiting on their position on this situation.
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LA2ATL1999
Comment: Oh one more question why they never showed the kids on College Hill "actually" go to school....at least on the Real World they showed the kids at least "trying" to work.....
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SpecialK
Comment: The show will be the same no matter what they call it. Why does BET think that the AA community should have all their laundry/stereotypes put on blast like that for others to make fun of and ridicule? I wish BET would stop lumping all AA's together because we are not all the same. Some think the "ghetto" mentality is a way of life and some don't. I don't need to see the need for this shyt to air on tv. I see it everyday. BET you are a disgrace to real Black Entertainment. Hell, just put us in black face and have us singing "mammy" why don't you.
Still a H.A.G.M.!!
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katgrrrl
Comment: BUTTERPECAN: I love that quote. <> As far as I'm concerned, BET stands for Busted, Egregious & Tacky. I dunno wussup with some of these shows. I was channel surfin' the other day and saw some blind-date-gone-bad show where vertically challenged people in devil costumes come out at the end of the date. I know little people gotta work too, but...this was just...(shaking head/at a loss for words)
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Pammy
Comment: Gina McCauley, What About Our Daughters?: This is Gina McCauley from the What About Our Daughters Blog. We are the ones that got advertisers to pull out and forced BET to change the name from "Hot Ghetto Mess " to "We Got to Do Better"
How does Jameela justify publishing the photos of teenage girls with their breasts exposed and publishing that to the world?
Jam Donaldson: I think the better question is what has come of us as a community when schools and parents allow their teenage daughters to dress that way for their proms? I am hoping that exposing what is going on with our young people will start important conversations about the increasing hypersexuality of your young women. Then perhaps we, as a community, will take note and then take action.
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Washington, D.C.: Ms. Donaldson, by airing this show you will not only be setting us back years, you will be negating the efforts of black heroes such as Dr. Carter G. Woodson, Jackie Robinson, Marian Anderson, Sidney Poitier, Maya Angelou and Malcolm X among countless others. I am talking about our ancestors who died trying to give us equality and have the world see us as people not savages. You are taking the respect they paid for with blood and turning it into a spectacle for your financial gain. Your picture along with Hudlin's and Lee's should be posted on your site as a hot ghetto mess. You three are the some of the biggest pimps in our community by prostituting the ignorance of a few and in essence assisting the majority in our country in thinking that all black people act this way. Why do you insist on broadcasting our worst?!
Jam Donaldson: I think you are wrong and when you see the show you will know how wrong you are. The show is not some 30 minute minstrel show as many paint it. We have interviews with people in the community where we ask them about important issues of the day or black history facts. We have statistics about the black community, black history factoids, segments about positive folks in the community. Please don't pre-judge something you haven't seen. Because I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
All the folks up in arms about the show are gonna sit back after its over and say, "I was protesting THAT?" mark my words.... :-)
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...WTF?...WTF?...WTF?...What kind of utter nosense is this?...BET must think we're a bunch of suckas...Yo, here's what ya do...Let 'em air that sh1t and watch for the sponsors....Then bombard 'em with letters of protest...Kill 'em softly with pen and paper....Just because it says Black ET dosen't mean they have the best interest of Black folks...In the words of NYOil "They should all be lynched"...
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ImJustAsking
Comment: I definitely won't wactch the show b/c it's really not my thing. In terms of it airing, I have mixed emotions b/c black people have a tendency to judge other blacks very harshly. And just b/c you wouldn't wear something, drive something, or spend your money on a certain thing doesn't make it 'ghetto' or 'low class.' So I'm not sure how I feel about lending an entire show to blacks making fun of the choices other black folk make. And I agree with DL Hughley's comment that we are part of the reason black shows aren't on. I really believe the networks would rather not show any black shows at all than to pilot a black show and have black people act silly about whether or not they agree with the portrayals.
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mseffy
Comment: Well ok Chocolate Brown, pdub and TGEN. I agree w/you and probably the rest of the posts too. Dang, I only read these three and got 37 more to go. This gonna be a hot one today. I'll just enjoy the comments and thanks to all of you who put it out there real early. Someone once said that a rose by any other name is still a rose. So BET: CRAP, by any other name is still BULLZHIT!!
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HarrisThomas
Comment: BOOT>>they don't think we're suckas, they know we are suckas because we helped to make Robert Johnson fabulously wealthy . . . they know we don't behave cohesively and function as a fist when the need arises . . . this is not new, as noted on this board, Harriet Tubman knew it
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willetta1
Comment: ChocolateBrownGal>AHHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAA!!!!CAN'T BREATHE GIRL....STOMACH IS HURTING!!! YOU IS A FOOL!!!
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Timolyn
Comment: CHOCOLATE BROWN GAL>>>>>Good one...now that was hilarious.....Why promote "ghettofabulous", that's all it is. A JOKE..... Take the Cake...JOKE, Hell Date....JOKE, SOB... JOKE, We Got To Do Better...JOKE. "Who" got to do better? Ghettofabulous, blacks in general. I'm like the other post who is "we". BET are not catering to the "old school". I'm sure they really do not care if "old school" boycots, because they are not catering to us 35 and over. BET is catering to generation X and the new generation, but BET be informative in a positive way not degrading us making it like it's entertainment. This is one of the things Al, Russ and others should be working on, but oh yea that would take money out of Russ' pockets. My bag. We as black as a whole gots to do better. Better by not killing one another, envy of one another. Blacks are our worst enemy towards one another. Hispanics gets more respect than blacks.
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mseffy
Comment: What are you talking about ImJustAsking? You need to just LISTEN and reflect or perhaps have someone interpret for you because apparently your ability to deduce for yourself is lacking. DL Hughley uses the basic argument of free speech to justify his total lack of comedic talent. ANYONE who routinely gets laughs at the expense of others is limited at best. True comedic talent comes from taking the nonsense around us and presenting it back with humor creatively clothed with truth. DL regurgitates truth already told by others, but lacks the ability to put a new and insightful spin on things himself. But I guess birds of a feather agree with each other. Requiring that media outlets show proper respect isn't silly, it's called setting an uncompromising standard!!
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bigfriend
Comment: I like the new name better because it is true... we do have to do better. Maybe, just maybe some of the people watching the show will see that the fashion they think is so cute really ain't! I think this show is going to be funny as hell!
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musbdherbs
Comment: I'll watch the show to see exactly what the hype is about..since it has gotten a lot of hype. The format should be interesting. They changed the name..so what? We have given our approval of Hot Ghetto Messes forever. Check out any comedy/parody/satire/discussion about what is known as hot ghetto mess and you may see depictions similar to this show. Why get all up in arms about it now? Are we now going to boycott ALL negative depictions of blacks in the media? Are we going to ban all public discussions about what ghetto black people do? Probably not so we may wanna check ourselves at the door FIRST.
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khufu
Comment: SIGH...bigfriend
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MUSBDHERBS..yes, we should boycott everything that degrades, ridicules, dehumanizes, etc Black people? what you dont think so?
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: In her own words.... Jam Donaldson describing the website H.G.M. "The site started when I started to receive pictures from friends of these wild weddings and black people doing all kinds of things. The web site’s original name was '%*$!( Mess.'" Go to read the full interview. http://www.blackmeninamerica.com/people.htm
Now I don't know about YOU, but the original name of the website says ALL that Jam D needed to say about where her mind actually was when she developed this mess.
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Name:
Exmun
Comment: Btw, the EUR censor got me. The original site for H.G.M. was named N-I-G-G-A--M-E-S-S.
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khufu
Comment: IJA...LOL you are really ridiculous....
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McNasty
Comment: Thank you Mseffy! Musb some things should be left on the web and you know as well as I do that this show is one example. We will continue to discuss ghetto black folk when the need arises and we will continue to discuss boycotting all negative depictions - it will keep us grounded in our thought that 'we' ain't got a ghetto bone in our bodies!lmao
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musbdherbs
Comment: Khufu..unfortunately it's unrealistic. I find some comedy absolutely degrading to blacks and other groups. However, it's unrealistic to think we are gonna ban degrading humor in comedy. Some people are tired of Tyler's drag-queen show. But, I wouldn't write a TV network calling for the show to be pulled. W/all things should be placed in perspective. Blacks can't seem to agree that there may be a benefit to staged protests and events like the Million Man March. Do you actually think we can reach a consensus as complex as where the line should be drawn re: humor, degradation, objectification, sexism etc? Yeah right.
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Rahwaykid1
Comment: Lipstick on a pig, baby.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Now with all the hype more people will watch. I co-sign Renatta and Musb. I have always had mixed feelings about what is perceived as HotGhettoMess because I also felt these were style choices and lifestyle choices. If you think about most things depicted on the site, it's really the hairstyles, or clothing a lot of people would not oridinarily wear or what we perceive as tacky club pictures, honestly in the scheme of things they are harmless and not indicative of that person's heart and soul, how they raise their kids or what they do for their commnunity (it just shows their taste LOL.) Heck, Dorothy Tillman in Chicago started out as one of the tackiest women on T.V. with a bandana on her head everytime the news cameras were on, my mom used to cringed at the site, in later years she became one of the most powerful neighborhood leaders in Chicago, although back in the day she probably would have been included in HotGhettoMEss pictures. As far as posing the babies with liquor bottles, in sexual positions or with guns, that isn't ghetto, that's a matter for Children Protective services and will not be resolved by putting the pictures on a website or on TV.
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musbdherbs
Comment: 'Nas I'm not actually sure if I would protest watching this show just as I didn't with Flav and ILNY. It wasn't my thing and I didn't watch it. If I find this one interesting I will continue to tune in. It's just a matter of preference. There are plenty of people who object to the The Wire because of it's portrayal of inner-city life. I watched it religiously and didn't share those views. You say eether I say iither.
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Timolyn
Comment: KHUFU/MUS>>>>if blacks boycott BET, then we need to boycott churches, department stores, grocery stores, must I go on. It's not only TV that degrades blacks alot of blacks degrades themselves. Could be from the lack of knowledge or just do not give a dayuum. With the generation x and the new generation and some old school. They feel it's ok to be in public looking H.G.M. Either they jump on the defense or others make them feel like nothing for looking down on them. We got that bad. Prime example just yesterday, I saw a young lady she was dressed in a pretty colorful pants suit. The color complimented her and she looked nice. There were two "sisters" dogging her out, talking about how she thinks she's all that etc. I purposely stopped the lady and complimented her, for one the suit was slamming and on the other hand to show the sisters there is nothing wrong in complimenting another sister instead of speaking negative of the lady. but it's only me. I can not change the world, but if we come together just a lil maybe we can see some change.
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< I agree!! That goes to the point I'm making that black people need to learn that just b/c you don't agree with something PERSONALLY does not mean that it should not air or be worn or be said etc. I'm so tired of black people trying to control other black people's actions. Yes, there should be room for some discussion about how we are portrayed but sometimes the sh!t goes overboard and infringes upon everyone's right to view what they choose and live as they choose.
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timmdogg
Comment: No matter how many time they change the title - it's still a minstrel show [ghettofied] that's trying to portray us in a negative light!
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musbdherbs
Comment: *Slowly giving IJA some tongue just to let her know how much I agree* To add, I refused to watch the Survivor race experiment cuz I didn't like the show first of all and also didn't think highyl of the experiment. It got MUCH coverage that amounted to nothing. The pre-show buzz was bigger than post.
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khufu
Comment: First of all MUSBDHERBS...oooo, nasty...you tongued IJA..that's nasty
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michaelollieclayton
Comment: HOT MIDDLE-CLASS MESS cont'd: The pet dog has been a lifetime fixture in the family; he's older now and the arthritis is a result of dl Dad fighting the dog back in the day when Stressed Out Ma needed money to kick azz at nursing school. MORE LOL!!!!
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khufu
Comment: secondly...consensus...Black folks dont have to have consensus on a national scale in order to first move....if there are ten Black folks in Chicago who belong to a lodge...THEY should start there...25 in Montana who belong to a sewing club....start There...and so on........
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ImJustAsking
Comment: Musb< *nibbles Musb's lip* I haven't been to the regular boards in a while but it's nice to be on the same page with you on my first day back. I'm really not for the foolisness that arises on here anymore. I wish people could learn to disagree with others without being insulting. I got way too much to deal with at work to read this ignorance that is posted on a daily basis.
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timmdogg
Comment: You can bet if this show portrayed Jewish people in a negative way - "hell, Steven Spielberg would be leading the protest". We as black people need to start voicing our opinons like we did during the racial years of the 60's and let it be known!Seems we only come together when it's some major catastrophy (Hurricane Katrina) or the Los Angeles riots! Remember, nipping small things in the bud will have an effect of large things to come! And to imagine our former leaders (heros) are turning in their graves thinking of the reserve attitude we are taking on inequality and bigotry! Sad day in Black America!
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khufu
Comment: oh boy here we go with the mentality that kills Black folks.....IJA says if you dont agree with something "personally"...individualism is against the nature of African peoples and yet African Americans who are mass practitioners of individualism because of acculturation and socialization keep wondering why they are not respected collectively and why they, as a "people" cant get anything accomplished...is it me? But how can a person/people who %*$ert individualism even begin to expect collective strides and collective progress? Seems insane to me
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pn2ppr
Comment: BET is deplorable. Gone are the days of respectable, entertaining and educational programming for them. I have not watched BET in a very long time. When I'm surfing the channels I scroll right past it. Why? Because my brain does not need 20 daily episodes of Jamie Foxx, Girlfriends, or the Wayans Brothers, not to mention the disgraceful videos these so-called "artists" release. It is embarrassing, to say the least, that this landmark station has sunk to such a low. A new low that surfaces just below sewage. Boycott BET? Hell yeah!! Innovation, education, dignity, and unity are words they just don't know exist. I can't begin to explain how disgusted I am with the enemy that is BET. PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM THE ENEMY BECAUSE IT IS CLEAR THAT THEY SEEK ONLY TO DESTROY US.
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pn2ppr
Comment: And another thing...it really %*$!es me off when I think how long we (black people) have supported BET and THIS is how they repay us!!! The ENEMY I tell you, and an evil one at that.
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khufu
Comment: TIMOLY you know what? ALl youre really saying is that BLACK FOLKS NEED TO STAND UP AND EXPRESS TRUTH NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE....it's not a foreign concept for me as I remember those days when Black folks in America "protested" and challenged ignorant, counter-productive and other ill behavior that threated or denigrated the community and the race...this really isnt a foreign concept.....actually, you know what? The 1908's. That's when it stopped...early 80s......
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SilentJay
Comment: A rose by any other name is probably still a BAD idea.
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khufu
Comment: pn2ppr...sad thing is: 1) Black folks dont realize that war is being waged against them and 2) they dont know how to tell who that enemy is......
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: I would imagine that there is room for individualism and working together as a people. The two ideas are not always opposite. I imagine IJA is pertaining the the superficial i.e. haristyles, clothing, music styles, reading tastes etc.which unfortunately too many of us judge and determine whether one is 'worthy' or not. Certainly we should be able to come together for the good of all i.e. black on black crime, high prison rates, education and in general as you mentioned in your post Khufu, general progress.
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khufu
Comment: Individualism based on spiritual consciousness and is a good thing...it is the understanding that I as the Soul have a unique identity and a unique purpose...but even in that awareness I understand that I as a soul am connected to all life and other souls......
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khufu
Comment: yes..I am my brothers and sisters keeper and they are mine
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Name:
khufu
Comment: individualism based on selfishness and self-centeredness is not a good thing....
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Name:
khufu
Comment: this is the kind of individualism that drives people like Hudlin and Lee and Snoop..I got mine...Im gettin' paid...that mentality is anti-thesis to not only being African but also to being a child of God.....
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ladybyrd
Comment: This show should be dropped from the line up. Let's start with that
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Oh individual expression and creativity is wonderful but when it goes against what is better for the whole...there is a problem....go back and read the story about Cain and Abel as spiritual instruction.......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: well LADYBYRD let's write some letters...COLLECTIVELY
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: IJA..lol..Fah real I agree with you on that. I would hate the day that all black people thought or acted like I did. UGH! Can you imagine? Now flip that and ask others would they want to live in a world where everyone thought and acted as they did. Many of us are just too damn self-righteous. TIM..I would agree w/you but Mel Gibson's hurling expletives re: Jews didn't really to rise to the level of "if jews were being targeted" we so often hear about
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khufu
Comment: SWEETIE the historical problem is that sometimes the individual might want to go against the group for ego purposes...case in point: that's why we have so many Black churches...it has les to do with any calling and more to do with individuals who want to gratify ego desires......HOWEVER other side of that coin with us is that oftimes the group doesnt want to heed to visionary and progressive individuals because the group identity has become warped and the group is no longer really interested in what is best for the collective but, instead, being driven by an ego of three or four......go figure.....i resign membership
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Name:
khufu
Comment: so in order to effective create change regarding BET: we have got to form loose collectives...wherever you are, start a petition and send it in to the FCC and the sponsors......if everyone starts a group, where they are, then we can make progress.....strength in numbers....unity there is strength...takes a village
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khufu
Comment: seeing righteousness in one's self is not a bad thing...."right-use_ness"..being able to be used for that which is right...that's not bad if youre centred in the Will of The Most High
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Name:
URKillingMe
Comment: I don't know what y'all b-itching about. Most of y'all have been to that website and/or forwarded pictures from there to your friends.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: IMO too many things in our collective community get a pass as "individualism" when all that's happening is a lowering of standards and expectations to accommodate the tacky and inappropriate
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Name:
2ndChance
Comment: the show is going to come and go just like all the other new programming on BET has from season to season. either write the sponsors or give it a rest. that website has been up for awhile now. i stopped opening emails of pics from that site almost as soon as i began receiving them. so what a fat girl is wearing a thong, halter top, and a pink wig. it's just not entertaining to me. i will say i am surprised to learn that the creator of the site is a daughter of a former HU professor and a howard and georgetown university grad. then again i'm not really surprised because black folks been looking down on other black folks forever and a day.
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Name:
leokev
Comment: I remember over 20 years ago one of my white high school teachers talking about how funny the "Amos n Andy" comedy show had been. He lamented that it was taken off the air due to protests. I lived in the south, had only heard about the show and never seen it, so I just wrote him off as a bigot. However, years later, I saw the comedian Dick Gregory speaking about how many blacks also thought the "Amos n Andy" show funny, but for a different reason. We knew it was an exaggeration of us; the whites did not - it just confirmed what they wanted to believe. I think Dave Chappelle caught a whiff of this also. This show may be successful among the wrong demographic.
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mayday
Comment: Not surprised, just saddened by BET AGAIN. Last week we where having a discussion on the boards about black people, Jews etc, and why Jews are not portrayed on TV and in the media in a derogatory way like blacks commonly are portrayed. If you read the responses today the question has been answered again by us......blacks cannot overwhelmingly agree on anything (not think alike but agree). The Jews (the other ethnic group that we like to compare ourself to) would not in any form or fashion stand by a TV show that was going to depict them in a derogatory manner to the world.....they simply would not stand for it. Good or bad, they would not have it and would sue the heck out of the corporation to prove their point. BET and Charlie Murphy are idiots.
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Name:
2ndChance
Comment: leokev, spike lee made reference to that topic in his movie Bamboozled starring Savion and Tommy Davidson. I forgot the name of the show in the movie but the characters were all in black face.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: The point is that people should have the right to be tacky and inappropriate, just thank God that you have been given the style and grace that you have. Again, we are more concerned about appearance than what a person does for themselves and their community, looks are superficial and actually most of the crap on HotGhettoMess is concerning styles. People claim they don't clown other races that way but it is not that they are not equally as tacky, just simply it ain't that serious. We are the only people who value style over substance, that's why we'll spend our last dollar to look good (be it Rocawear or Versace) and won't have any money in the bank or discipline our kids properly (but they sho' look good!) I'm not for or against HotGhettoMess, simply what consitutes a mess to me ghetto or otherwise usually pertains to personality traits (i.e. loving parent, disciplines when appropriate, loyal friend, kind and giving, loves God etc.) not your clothing, if your clothes ain't hurting me I don't worry about it AND the only time I do have to worry about it is how it pertains to my staff (dress codes cover that!)
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MsVanese
Comment: http://www.blackmeninamerica.com/12.htm
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Name:
mseffy
Comment: The important point in all of this is that media conveniently find the worst images (OF US), and proceed to exploit them. I and many other minorities, do not appreciate being lumped in w/such images and I intend to continue speaking against these negative images, until I see more programming and commentary on the strides AA's are making in school, business and education. SO THERE!~
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Name:
mseffy
Comment: To ChocolateBrownGal>> Now I would love to see your post made into a movie playing on IFC, instead of that R-Kelly Opera mess.
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Name:
mayday
Comment: Sweetie Darlin....I will bet you at least $1 dollar that if you watch this show you can make the connection between the people being portrayed "tackiness & inappropriateness & style" and their "substance & socio-economic" background. These are not separate issues. This show is headed straight to the "hood" because normally that is where you find the "Hot Ghetto Mess" so why are we putting these people who have the right to be tacky and inappropriate on National TV to tell them that they look a mess?
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Name:
mayday
Comment: say it again Mseffy!
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Name:
NYCSis
Comment: don't be surprised when you see some of the styles, languages and behaviors exposed in this show become adopted by "mainstream" tastemakers. styles we may judge as tacky others see as innovative.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: I never said they should be on T.V. in fact I don't believe in collective teasing. Perhaps because I have seen some of the so-called HotGhetto messes up close and personal in my line of work ( working for a in-home Healthcare agency) and although these women may not meet my expectation of what is considered fashionable they work hard as hyell, they are going into sometimes the nastiest homes, in the summer there may not be air conditioning in their client's home, they are cleaning feces and urine, they are taking care of people and doing things that often the client's own family won't do, they are valuable to us and their clients in spite of an occasional too tight pair of orange leggings on a size 22 butt or whatever.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: NYCSis> You ain't ever lied LOL!
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Name:
ImJustAsking
Comment: sweetie< I'm glad you said that. B/c sometimes with the pervasive overuse of the term ghetto, we forget that there actually IS such a place called a ghetto and that many, may I say, the majority are people who work hard everyday and they have feelings just like the rest of us. I have met/seen some of the people who post on the board and they have VERY little room to talk about what is appropriate dress/hair/behavior. The only reason, as mayday pointed out, you can trace the stuff that is made fun of on hotghettomess to people who lack economic power is because they lack the power to get together and tease people in the higher economic strata for the silly sh!t they do.
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SweetieDarlin
Comment: BTW R. Kelly and Diddy are always well dressed, if you didn't know anything about them, would you think they had themselves together? And can you tell a wife beater if he had on a nice suit everyday? A well dressed woman who beats her kids on the regular or allows her boyfriend to molest her child, AH but remember she dresses really well! My point is, yeah you may think you can tell something about the girl with the pink hair but you might be wrong.
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HarrisThomas
Comment: khufu>> numerous Black churches are based partly on ego, another base part is the MONEY . . . a person can stand on the corner and sling drugs OR a person can start his/her own church, sling religion, collect tax-free dollahs, and live mighty large even if the congregation or most of it is barely scratching money together (preacher to the congregation: don't hold back God's money) . . . isn't this also part and parcel of HGM?
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musbdherbs
Comment: SD.IJA..HERE HERE!!! Mayday, if this show is headed straight to the hood, What is your objection to it? If the people in the hood are not objecting to it, then why should you. I'll tell you why, because (as usual) our concern rests solely in how other may view us based on the actions of a few. We are not on the least concerned about how they feel..not in the least. We are concerned about how it makes "us" feel. Bill Cosby wanted to bring our dirty laundry to the fore, well now we have it. I wouldn't run away or write BET in protest about this even on my best day. I see it everyday and I can't close my eyes to what happens here and ignore it like the problem doesn't exist. However, I can choose to not tune into HGM if I don't wanna see it. Unlike some, I am convinced that even yt people (WHO WE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT) will look at this show and see that these are the depictions of the worst or socio-economically depraved of us. NOT that this is how black people are. Too many yt's are friends and colleagues of TOO many blacks for them to believe that these HGM depictions are representative of most blacks. Call me Obama'ish but I believe that to be true.
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Name:
2ndChance
Comment: "Too many yt's are friends and colleagues of TOO many blacks for them to believe that these HGM depictions are representative of most blacks.".............................................. ....................................i agree. and even if it isn't the case, if a would be employer would like to prejudge me based on what he/she saw on the latest episode of Flavor of Love then i don't want to work for their presumptious behinds anyway.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: ImJustAsking ...I know you aint talking bout me.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: Yes, I can tell something about the girl with the pink hair...GHETTO!
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Ghetto is a state of consciousness...there are tons of educated Black folks who are ghetto...church goers...ghetto...posters here on this board...ghetto...but they would deny it......exactly WHAT IS GHETTO anyway? Because based on my definition...a lot of folks who have edumocation are ghetto...a lot of yall who have good jobs are ghetto......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MUSB you really just dont get it do you?.....Name: musbdherbs
Comment: SD.IJA..HERE HERE!!! Mayday, if this show is headed straight to the hood, What is your objection to it? If the people in the hood are not objecting to it, then why should you. I'll tell you why, because (as usual) our concern rests solely in how other may view us based on the actions of a few.
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: 2nd To Add. I am personally sick of made to feel that I should be held responsible for what some ignorant azz does. If yt people are not intelligent enough to realize that the brief I just wrote speaks for me, the excel sheet I concatented speaks for me, my latest analysis etc., then that ain't got shyt to do w/nobody but they %*$es. And I said they. It won't have much to do w/the HGM's of the world. You can NOT teach someone to hate. You can NOT teach someone to love. That is something individual to each of us...our ability to discern right from wrong. Unless you have some sort of medical condition you should know not 2 believe that all people are like Strom Thurmond no more than they are like Ronald Reagan. That's just instinctive knowledge that we all have. We are not instinctively stupid. That's just a personality flaw. If yo ignint azz wanna hate me because I'm not you then FK YOU! FK YOU W/HANDCUFFS ON AND TAPE CROSS YO MOUTH! *Taking a smoke break*
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Name:
khufu
Comment: MUSB yes, free will is a spiritual law.....but being responsible for your brother and sister especially when they are being exploited is another...so is addressing them in their negative practices...especially when they are wayward......I didnt create the law but: you are your brothers and sisters keeper
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: YLAWDY> You answered my question about your perception about a girl with pink hair. How about the well dressed person who does heinous things since clothes determine your worth and abilities. Good clothes=equals fine upstanding person?
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Name:
mayday
Comment: exactly SweetieDarlin...that is why this program is so harmful. The program is going to look at the woman with the pink or blue hair, the to short and to tight mini-skirt with the bad shoes on and talk about her as if she is nothing and she may be a single mother working on her nursing degree or the next Jill Scott.....you can't judge a book by its cover so this show should not be on of all places BET.
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: SweetieDarlin ...you've got it twisted. I don't recall saying clothes determine your worth and abilities. Clothes determine your taste or lack thereof period. Never did I imply that the woman in the blaze orange size 26 stretch pants with the pink upsweep wasn't a nice person. I said she was ....Ghetto. lol BTW...khufu on their being tons of educated "ghetto" people. It is a state and not a residence.
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Name:
mayday
Comment: musbdherbs.....it is funny that you wouldn't write or protest BET about his subject on your best day but last week you were ready to protest against TMZ for saying that Beyonce looked like.....not is....... but was dressed like a roboho.....go ahead.....I am ready for your dissertation on the differences between BET and the show, TMZ and Beyonce and Frenchie and the airline flight........
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: musbdherbs..."FK YOU! FK YOU W/HANDCUFFS ON AND TAPE CROSS YO MOUTH!" That sounds kinda exciting. CTFU
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: Mayday, never said this should be on T.V. as I said, don't believe in collective teasing, essentially a program like this is pretty worthless and so BET should stop trying to disguise this as a social commentary to help others see themselves and do better. At least BET should say that they have this show to clown folks no more no less.
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Name:
mayday
Comment: my bad SweetieDarlin....when you said...The point is that people should have the right to be tacky and inappropriate, just thank God that you have been given the style and grace that you have. Again, we are more concerned about appearance than what a person does for themselves and their community.....I interpreted that as meaning that you were OK with the show being on TV.....or at least indifferent.
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Name:
SweetieDarlin
Comment: YLAWDY> well as long as you know that she might be nice LOL! I thnk I'm really into this because I just did an Inservice on Saturday where we 800 of our Home Care Aids attended, big orange and pink booties in tight sweatsuits everywhere, it was the living breathing HGM website. Two of my co-workers sat up all day and cracked on them, it was tiresome, especially since although they dress very well they got some stank azz attitudes. I do understand, however perception in some cases is everything...
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Name:
Mas90
Comment: I think BET is being robbed of any funds to produce real decent programming just as when Ben Johnson was president of BET. It's no difference. Yes, lost some positive programming like Teen Summit, Tavis Smiley, etc. since Ben Johnson or even before his leave. With Viacom in control there is a low chance to get a real positive programming. Why is Tyler Perry's sitcom on TBS and not BET? Did he even present this to BET? Will never know if he did or not. The show writing is not good but it's not ghetto. But anywayback to topic... changing the title is truly a hoodwink and just trying to fool advertisers and viewers. Hmm, who's decision was this? A white man or black man and his black assistants? We don't know. I hope the show gets cancelled. The best thing is for us not to watch this show. BOYCOTT! Low rating will cause it to be cancelled.
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Name:
MissE
Comment: It's funny most of yall have all taken this show and condemned it and aint even seen it yet. Just watch the show, then you can voice your opinion. BTW, does anybody on here work?
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Name:
khufu
Comment: wellll..some people reside in states...they reside in places and never ever live anywhere else......hence, "you can take a person out the ghetto, but you can take the ghetto out of them"......YLAWDY you cannot exist outside outside consciousness......
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Name:
khufu
Comment: what happened to "Black pride?"
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Name:
oshun
Comment: 2nd chance...i think the name of the show on bamboozled was "man-tan & sleep-and-eat" -at least those were the character's names. maybe this is some weird experiement, ala pierre delacroix, on the part of bet creative. wishful thinking?
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Name:
musbdherbs
Comment: Come on Mayday, this is where semi-intelligent reasoning should come into play. I said that it was absolutely inappropriate for TMZ to refer to her as a ho because it wasn't and the casual acceptance of that from black women was unsettling. Yet, I never sent an e-mail nor had the desire because I don't generate traffic for TMZ. They are absolutely insignificant. If TMZ wanna call Beyonce a lesbonic, cornbred-fed ho then oh well. That has nothing to do w/my opinion on it nor will it stop the people who enjoy it from visiting it. If I don't like a business, I won't be a patron. I found humor in the ridiculousness of Frenchie's possible claim. I'll grant you common sense 2 know the difference between the scenarios you noted above.
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Name:
MomaKnowz
Comment: As Rev. Ike used to say, "The only bad publicity is *no* publicity". I think that all this "pub" is just generating curiosity about this project. It's gonna generate viewership. Some will watch because they've never seen the web site. Some will watch *because* they've seen the web site. Some will *peek* and not tell anybody that they watched. And some will watch to TIVO this garbage and help put us back ANOTHER 400 years by putting it on YOUTUBE. It's a SAD day, peeps. a SAD day in Afrodom. The name change is an insult. See, I'm thinkin' that Hudlin is confusing his video cast with an ever dwindling audience. We're not stupid. *And* you can bet that I'm going to find out what adverstisers are left and write letters to *them* letting them know that I will not support companies with my dollars that support such trash. People underestimate the buying public. Jobs thought he had the *world* sold with the iphone. It sold so little that their stock dropped. BET... you're next. Hallelujah!!!
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Name:
Keys_25
Comment: I knew BET was going to do SOMETHING to keep the show on the air...
I WON'T watch it. I see enough of that mess in the streets, supermarkets, and the malls.
DISGUSING!!!
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