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fanteeking
Comment: I think I see some crabs moving around in dat basket trying to pull dat crab that's climbing up de basket down a peg or two. Maybe dat crab dats climbing up may pinch de hand of de crabber that he might overturn de basket so all of us crabs can one day be free!!! Naw maybe not, dem crabs, dey got a 400 year history of pullin' climbing crabs down!! Dey rather be miserable in de basket than see one crab liberate dem!
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MrsPhoenix
Comment: Thank you fanteeking! Uncle Tom Crouch is not an authority on "being Black"!
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212121
Comment: Uncle Tom Crouch is right. I honestly think this guy is racist against other black people. He seems to have an issue with anyone light. Just something I have noticed in his writings.
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fanteeking
Comment: MrsPhoenix: If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Crouch connected to the George Bush re-election campaign? Also, he was a contributor to a series on the history of Jazz and provided a VERY EUROPEAN analysis of OUR JAZZ. Matter of fact, I'm almost certain that Crouch is a Clarence Thomas republican who doesn't have a clue about the reality of Black America! I agree with you wholeheartedly!!
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bigfriend
Comment: Please. That is the whole problem. Black people can't get it together. If you are not lounging around being ghetto speaking ebonics saying the white man is holding you down, if you are working and doing your thing trying to be a sucess, then they say you act white. There is another deeper thing going on here, just because you do not share the same background (isn't it enough that he is black?) or heritage (I did not know that we had to share a heritage with the people we elect....Bill Clinton anyone????) I thought his platform mattered. Maybe this blackman just wants an excuse to breakdown another? Hmmm. Nobody alive today experienced slavery, many did not experienced segregation and Jim Crow. So what is that about? That is the problem, can't seem to move forward, always looking back. It is 2006. If you like the platform, vote for whoever regardless of the color. Gotta get over the color thing people.
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fanteeking
Comment: GEE WHIZ, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! This is just what we BLACK FOLKS need, a white guy trying to tell us how to overcome. GEE THANKS, GUY.
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EdnaMae
Comment: He does nothing for me on any level, seems like a very nice guy, but, I still don't know what he stands for. He and Hillary are both reeally out of touch if they think either one of them has a chance of being elected president in this country. So, go ahead Democrats, put one of them on the ballot, and 4 more years of the repugnats in office.
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Winn30344
Comment: Bigfriend..climb back under that rock you've been hibernating under..your one-sided views are annoying at the least. The only time you comment on any story is to refute anytime a poster alleges racism..you must be a joy to live with!!
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OSUN
Comment: I totally disagree with Couch's argument. Rather he realizes it or not, all black people are not the same and dont always share a common culture. Does that mean we cant support his platform and vote for him. He is ridiculous. And beside the point, in order for Obama to win he has to focus on garnering white support. Unfortunately the one thing that you can say about us is that collectively we dont get out and vote.
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MelodyCool
Comment: I haven't read Obama's book but heard he basically acknowledges what Crouch is saying about his experiences as a black man in America. What he really needs is some solid political experience prior to entertaining thoughts of a presidential run. The only reason those white folks (a handful in reality) are praising him is because they secretly feel being half "white" is the "only" contributing factor for his success so they don't mind aligning themselves with him. However, I actually believe Obama is being set up to fail and used as a scapegoat to prove once and for all that the black man's not ready to lead the nation. Blacks can spot white wickedness but he may have a softer spot for them therefore opening himself up to their manipulation.
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Kofi
Comment: I like to author is luke warm at best toward Obama. Im always suspicious when so many white people like you. If you are talking about any issues of substance that impact black people whites are not really hearing all that. If Obama talked about Katrina and how black people were and continue to be blatantly mistreated. If Obama talked about racial profiling and the dangerous relationships between the police and AA communities, white people aint hearing that. AIDS is killing our community, is Obama talking about more funding? I challenge anyone on this board to state 5 things that Obama stands for. (not what he is against) We know he is against the war in Iraq. What does he stand for?
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DCGG
Comment: Speak on it Kofi - OBAMA got you negros real good, white folks are on to black folks voting habits, they realize that most of you don't follow politics, all most of you follow is the color of the candidate, so here's the white man candidate and all you ignorant negros praising him, why???
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thinker
Comment: He was raised by a white female. What in the world made you think he would be Black centered?
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PHScott
Comment: Damn... You fu*king people are soooo caught up on race, it's pathetic. Don't you realize by now that if you have a single drop of Black blood, you are a Black man in America? I am certain Brother Obama got it from BOTH sides of the racial fence (as did I, and I ain't directly biracial, I'm just very light). Believe me, he was called a ni**er in his childhood- like me, he grew up in Chicago, one of the most racially segregated cities in the WORLD. In closing, you all have to realize that he'll never get in the house to make ANY changes if he shows a radical side BEFORE getting in. Hopefully, he won't be the second coming of Clarence Thomas, whom I thought would play it cool until he got his spot and then flip the switch... I won't support Barack for President because he just is not ready. Hillary for president? Heeeeeeeeeeelllll NO!!!!!!!!!!! The problem is the dems don't really have a worthy candidate to challenge whomever the GOP puts up. Perhaps someone should repeal the constitutional amendment that prohibits past presidents from running again so we can get Bill Clinton back...
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rikyrah
Comment: Barack Obama has never shied away from being a BLACK man. He has never been the ' I'm Bi-racial' card.Not during his political life. He gives the Halle Berry line: He's a Black man with a White mother...Obama visibly has Black ancestry. He looks like a Black man. If you drop him in Nebraska, Idaho, or South Central, the folks walking down the street won't say, ' Oh, he's been raised by his White relatives'. They'll say, there's another Black guy.
And Obama gets that.
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Kofi
Comment: Obama didn't get to choose his ethnicity. He doesn't blatanly play the biracial card. He seems like a nice enough person. WHAT DOES HE STAND FOR??? 46 million Americans don't have health care. Most of those people are black and brown. As president what would he do about that? The problem with democrates is that we will run people with personalities but no balls. Leadership is about having the courage of your convictions. Saying what you believe regardless if it is popular or not. GW Bush is a complete incompetent azzhole but, you are clear in what he believes. (hypocritical as it is) Americans regardless of party affiliation gravitate toward leadership. (ie people with ideas and convictions) Obama has what most democrates have and that is they stand for nothing. They try and be everything to everybody. Al Gore didn't find out he had a pair of balls until a couple of years ago with his environmental stance. Had he shown some leadership he would have been president in 2000 and we would not be having this conversation.
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justafu
Comment: Stanley "I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT JAZZ & EVERYTHING ELSE" Crotch is an fugly, pink lipped AZZHOLE that loves to hate on black folks that he doesn't agree with! So what he says carries no weight with me at all! Now it's true that yall's white folks probably will lie about voting for Obama but black folks should be lining up to support our BROTHA...THAT'S RIGHT, OUR BROTHA!!! But then again you'll probably vote for OL' MASSA ANYWAY!!!
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Honeybronze
Comment: Barak Obama has all the qualifications, why do people always try to tear down something good. The world is changing and we need change for the good of humanity "The race card needs to be put away". We have a chance to have our first "Black President" and all these "Playa Haters" that can't get past themselves, so they always try to find fault with everybody else.
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Kofi
Comment: Again, I challenge anyone on the board to define what Obama really stands for? What issues are important to him? Are they same issue that are important to the majority of black folks or people period? Voting for someone solely on the basis of skin color is STUPID!!!! Besides being a biracial black man, what or who would we be voting for?
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jazzfan
Comment: So if I'm reading Stanley Grouch right, if you didn't live through the civil rights movement and the Jim Crow south, then you can't be authentically Black? That's absurd. And as we get further away from the 60's chronologically, you are going to have more politicians that aren't from deep in the hood or deep in the movement and that doesn't make them any less Black. I was 8 years old when Dr. King was %*$assinated, and I'm probably older than many on the EUR boards. Does that make me any less Black? And if Barack Obama spent time growing up as a Black male in Amerikka, how can Grouch quantify his experiences? I didn't march in Selma or with the Panthers, but I have been detained by the police because I "fit the profile of a suspect", I have experienced racial discrimination in the workplace, etc. Am I less of a Black man?
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nylaconnect
Comment: Please,we are quoting Stanley the crutch Crouch of the Ny Daily news.How about getting Armweak Williams and Clarence Thomdumb-as views too, they all have no credibility on anything African American
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realuvbaby
Comment: There are so many of shades of BLACK in the rainbow, it's astounding. We need to be voting for the BEST PERSON to be in office, no matter the color. But it sounds like more of the same, and as usual, it's beginning with the biggest sellout of black folks: BLACK FOLK. Divide and Conquer. Infiltrate and destroy our chances because we are so busy in-fighting, that the other candidates are running away with the election while we bicker on who's blacker. Most people in this country now don't have a clue as far as the African American's struggle all up in this piece. So to say if you didn't experience Black America from slavery through the civil rights movement is a little misguided. Blacks most of all need to get over this IS HE BLACK ENOUGH talk because each experience of a black person is unique in America. No black folk share ALL or the totality of the black experience. How can we be united as Black, when there is some of every kind of blood running through our veins. Black folk, choose your battles. Just because a person is black or white should not determine whether or not he can do a job or fulfil a responsibility. Some black folk are self-saboteurs, and there are some non-blacks who really and sincerely relate to the black causes in America. So, choose THE BEST, and that person may be black, may be not. But to try to choose our black leaders based on the totality of the black experience in America is useless because we as blacks in America have a unique, diversified experience in this world that CANNOT be contained in one person. So, let us choose the BEST and stop dividing and self-sabotageing ourselves. Give me the best president or best candidate as it regards to black issues. If that person be black, then let it be, but one black person cannot be or identify with EVERY black person. That's a little misguided to me.
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bestbelieve
Comment: AMEN, realuvbaby!!
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realuvbaby
Comment: Remember, our president -- black or white -- will be the president of THE UNITED STATES and not just the Black people of the United States. We've been dreaming of a colorless America, and we can wake up now. We have overcome, so we, ourselves don't have to keep playing the race card -- The first black this, the only black that. It's the end of 2006 and 2007 is on the horizon, can we just let it go? Racism and bigotry are obstacles as American as apple pie and it is what it is and will never go away. Just like the N word. It's time to realize it is what it is and move on. We no longer have to go through the obstacle, we just need to go AROUND the obstacle. As black folk in this country, we need to identify the reasons why every other immigrant can come from any part of the world and bypass and surpass us as as we bicker as to who's blacker and who has the better view of the black experience in America. Truth be told, no one from any part of the world could come here and benefit were it not for the struggle of the African in America -- all that free labor while surviving lynchings, burnings, hosing, ripping apart of families, the demasculation of the Black Man to name but a few. Disrespect. Dishonor. Invalidation. Devaluation. Yet, we bicker about who is blacker and that gives other groups the power to trivialize black folk, our struggle and our accomplishments. That's why Mexicans are preferred people/group of choice in America today. Black folk can and was doing everything the Mexicans can do, but the Mexicans do it for less. White America has always loved free labor. We need to realize that and stop the rhetoric and put our strength and votes around a viable leader who can lead this country to greatness for everyone, not just white men their mistresses and/or boy toys. Self-hate and divide and conquer, crabs-in-the-barrel doesn't quite cut it any more. We need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new plan.
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oldsoul
Comment: Stanley Crouch is just an opinion writer, so I'll give him that then leave him alone. He seems to be quite bitter about anything that he doesn't agree with or overstand. Usually when whites are behind a person that raises a red flag in my mind because they are looking out for their best interests not the interests of the whole and what's right-minded. What does Obama stand for? He is for a woman's right to choose on abortion. He supports Affirmative Action in Colleges and Universities and Government. He supports more federal funding for healtchcare and believes healthcare is a right not a privilege. He supports more military funding for the armed forces - not for more war but for adequate tools, supplies, weaponry for existing troops. He favors bulk rates for prescription medicines. He favors coal and oil alternatives. He opposes the death penalty. He opposes the "3 Strikes" law. He is against wiretappings as a part of the Patriot Act. He is against lobbyist gifts to members of Congress. I'm interested in his position on Illegal Drug laws and their disparities. As I learn more about him, I will speak on it but I like his direction as it "appears". All of that if fine and dandy but We must overstand something very important: We should abandon the look for and talk of a savior! There is no need to look when our saving power is already within [Us as a people] just waiting to be cultivated and used - rightly. No politician will do that for Us. A politician is in place to help a group to further the initiatives that they have come together on, feel passionately about and have done the proper due diligence on to form a policy or policies. So first, We have to come together on a thing - Together. First things first.
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Kofi
Comment: Thanks Oldsoul for the clarification. I have heard bits and pieces that Obama favors the policies you mentioned. Obama has a tendency to want to "work across the aisle" with Republicans. My question is what does he demand of them? My impression is the brotha is solid. I hope to learn much more before casting any vote.
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Name:
soulsis
Comment: WTF????????????
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Name:
katee
Comment: Obama is a proud black man with a lovely black wife and two beautiful, healthy black daugters. Enough said. I am, at this point, more enthusiastic about a John Edwards candidacy, but the Dems have smart, sharp candidates from coast-to-coast. And, by the way, some of you lazy souls who say you don't know anything about what Obama stands for, should go to his website and the sites put up by his supporters. If you can find eurweb, you can find out about Obama.
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barnone
Comment: oldsoul> very well put, and i must concur...the african n amerikkka needs 2 stop looking 4 a savior. as far back as history can recant, black folk n amerikkka have been looking for that 1 to ride n on that shining horse and rescue us from oppression, racism and all the other attrocities we endure on a daily basis. what we most fail 2 get is no politician black or white is capable of such a feat. what black people n amerikkka r fighting is a system, an age old system whose very exsitence is built upon the oppression and/or exclusion of another people, i.e. black people. so really when it's all said and done, it ain't even about Obama or his blackness or lack there of.
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