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SoopDawwg
Comment: An attorney? Are they trying to get some money? While it was despicable there is no way in hell they should get money.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Sounds like somebody's tryna git paid...Yo, if that's the case a whole lot of muthafuccer's owe me. Black folks been calling me ni&&ah for such a long time..."Look at that lil ni&&ah"...Have you ever tried to tell a Black person (not all but most) not to call you ni&&ah? Have you told them it offends you?...What do they say most times?..."Ni&&ah please", "Ni&&ah go sit down", "Ni&&ah, git outta here with that sh1t"...He11, I remember this one...I'm a nigg@h, you a nigg@h suck this______and make it bigger...I agree with Soop I don't think these cats should get a dime...Let 'em meet with Krammer and hang his dumbazz from a tree and stick a fork up his azz...
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PlanetRock
Comment: While I don't condone Michael Richards' actions and while I think the hecklers are partially to blame, are we going to open the flood gates for people to "get paid" whenever a comedian offends them? How many black comedians use the "N" word profusely and always make cracks on the white people in the audience? Can those being offended sue? Moreover, every hip-hop CD has the "N" word dozens and sometimes hundreds of times throughout. Can we get a class action suit against the record companies for pushing this "work of art" to our communities and offending all of us decent people? Come on Jesse Jackson, where is our class action suit there?
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khufu
Comment: based on these comments..SOME Black folks still really hating themselves...why shouldnt they be financially compensated for "hate speech".."provocation"...."Harassment"..."defamation?" this is quite different that your friend calling you niger or a rapper spewing the word "in general." Richards directed this hateful speech to them directly........what do the 3 previous posters say that Richards should judt offer an apoloofy and that's all? Self-hatred continues this Monday......
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khufu
Comment: "just offer an apology"
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khufu
Comment: YT is good man! their abilities to continually mass hypnotize yall is still in full effect,...so now yall are turning the pointing fingers to the brothers and sisters who were in the audience----the direct victims! so it goes from Ricahrds and ALL his derogatory remarks to his usage of the N word....then it goes from his use of the N word to "Black folks use it" and the usage of the N word by Black folks become the problem and now their wonderful PR job continues to this...."Naw they cray for asking for money---sue the rappers and the record companies!" AT THIS RATE, at the end of the week, yall gonna be hanging every Black person from a tree that uses the N word and Richards will be running the NAACP! YT is good with mind control......
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McNasty
Comment: There should be no monetary award here - the lessons are in the constant apologies and requiring him to take some anger management courses and an extensive racial sensitivity training and be re schooled on the time during the civil rights struggle, black history scholars should be chomping at the bit for this one. This should be about a national schooling using richards as the template. We keep pulling racial issues and money together there will be no way to separate them later.
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khufu
Comment: MCNASTY youre joking right?
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khufu
Comment: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, moral or political views, etc. The term covers written as well as oral communication. It is also sometimes called antilocution and is the first point on Allport's scale which measures prejudice in a society.
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khufu
Comment: In the United States, government is broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. Jurists generally understand this to mean that the government cannot regulate the content of speech, but that it can sanction the harmful effects of speech through laws such as those against defamation or incitement to riot.
Indeed, the term "hate speech" and its surrounding discussion (whether and to what extent speech should be regulated) is something restricted to American legal discourse. For example, the German constitution is subtly more restrictive, guaranteeing 'freedom of voicing one's opinion' and elsewhere restricts its misuse against the public peace. The German Criminal Code specifically forbids inciting hatred against ethnic groups, and revisionism, as in France, is prohibited under those grounds.
Since such laws often apply only to the victimization of specific individuals, some argue that hate speech must be regulated to protect members of groups. Others argue that hate speech limits the free development of political discourse and ought to be regulated, but by voluntaristic communities and not by the state. Still others claim that it is not possible to legislate a boundary between legitimate controversial speech and hate speech in such a way which is just to those with controversial political or social views.
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khufu
Comment: In many countries, deliberate use of hate speech is a criminal offence prohibited under incitement to hatred legislation.
Some examples:
Holocaust denial is outlawed in seven European countries as a form of hate speech, while the Council of Europe has passed laws against any type of revisionism, defined as denial or minimization of genocides or crimes against humanity.
In the United Kingdom, incitement to racial hatred is an offence under the Public Order Act 1986 with a maximum sentence of up to seven years imprisonment.
In Ireland, the right to free speech is guaranteed under the Constitution (Article 40.6.1.i). However, the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act, proscribes words or behaviours which are "threatening, abusive or insulting and are intended or, having regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred" against "a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation."
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khufu
Comment: In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990).
In Iceland, the hate speech law is not confined to inciting hatred, as one can see from Article 233 a. in the Icelandic Criminal Code, but includes simply expressing such hatred publicly:
"Anyone who in a ridiculing, slanderous, insulting, threatening or any other manner publicly %*$aults a person or a group of people on the basis of their nationality, skin colour, race, religion or sexual orientation, shall be fined or jailed for up to 2 years." (The word "%*$ault" in this context does not refer to physical violence, only to expressions of hatred.)
Victoria, Australia has enacted the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001, which prohibits conduct that incites hatred against or serious contempt for, or involves revulsion or severe ridicule of another on the grounds of his race or religious beliefs.
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khufu
Comment: New Zealand prohibits hate speech under the Human Rights Act 1993. Section 61 (Racial Disharmony) makes it unlawful to publish or distribute "threatening, abusive, or insulting...matter or words likely to excite hostility against or bring into contempt any group of persons...on the ground of the colour, race, or ethnic or national or ethnic origins of that group of persons." Section 131 (Inciting Racial Disharmony) lists offences for which "racial disharmony" creates liability.
France has made hate speech laws restricting the open expression of anti-Semitism, and ethnic bias in public, but it implies to guidelines in news journalism (i.e. newspapers and state-owned Television) in how to report (or be told not to discuss) those matters without creating social tension.
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khufu
Comment: California, USA laws may declare hate speech is protected in public, but allows easy prosecution for alleged hate crimes, in verbal form as well in physical form. California law claims hate speech at the workplace does not constitute as "protected speech" and employers have the right to terminate or discharge those who committed hate speech on workplace grounds.
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khufu
Comment: DAMN!!! wake up!!!!!!!
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HoneyMack
Comment: Phucc him, I was offended also, when is he going to sit down and apologize to me?
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jboy
Comment: Gloria Allred -- I knew this situation would bring the top media-whores out of the woodwork. So far two of the top three have come out on it. Where's AL? He must be sick or something. Those brothers won't get a DIME out of this, but you can't blame a brother for trying. As for Kramer -- It's not like he had a whole lot going on these days. I mean it's not like he's gonna miss out on some big "part" or that he's going to lose a lot of endorsements or anything. If I was him I'd just apologize - ONE LAST TIME - then slide on back into obscurity.
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NueNue
Comment: So there were only three black people in the room? If there was more I say apologize to the whole dam crew! I’m not sure about the money part cause every time I got called that I never got a dime but since it was a famous joker why not break them something for there sorrows?
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...Waitaminute khufu, you're going off on some blacker than thou tangent...Stop apologizing for Black folks who use the word...I don't think none of the posters hate themselves they're just stating their opinion, the same as you...I'm more upset at the lynching comment. Richards can't apologize enuff for that sh1t...I
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Mahoganii
Comment: They are opportunists! They saw $$ signs the first time the n - word came out of Richards' ugly mug. The Monday after two of the guys were on GMA talking about a law suit.
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Drooby98
Comment: I wouldn't even want his fake azz apology. He said what he said because it's the way he feels. The man is mentally ill as are countless other YT's that feel at liberty to use the "n" word because black people do. News flash.... we could all vow to never use the word again but YT has, does, and always will think of us as ni@@ers.
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khufu
Comment: BOOT whazz up my ni@@ah!? Oh Im sorry LOL "Blacker than thou?" LOL No why should these folks not be financially compensated? For me those comments (the first three--including yours) that negate financial compensation are of the nature that suggest that there should be no penalty for Richards....we caint hang his azz so in capitialist America---$$$$$$$$!! SO with that in mind, the severity of his comments can only be understood in monetary terms......
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khufu
Comment: Einstein said: Great thinker will always receive violent opposition from mediocre minds! Some of yall just caint see the LARGER implications of this situation......I give up
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Monicia
Comment: Well, knew the day would come when such an incident would happen. Just didn't know who or where. People, we ourselves have to be the first to let this Afican American "term of endearment" go. White america been hearing so long, they think it okay for them to say that, without a second thought. WRONG! In despise what was said, but the bottom line is, the first amemenment does allow for right of free speach. Should they be paid by his outburst? In my opinion, NO. Why should they? There is not a jury that could be set anywhere, any state that would allow them to be compensated. Let them move over with the rest of the people who still think we are going to get reparations,,,,,,,,,,,Sorry, this will never happen.
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khufu
Comment: MONICA..did you read my prvious post on "Hate Speech?" First amendment does not protect "Hate Speech"
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lilwyde
Comment: B00TANEB00TUS you are too dam funny. Thanks for making my day.
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DCGG
Comment: I see nothing wrong with them getting paid from that rat faced%*$!(@!(! Why not???
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whatdat
Comment: heckle - to annoy or harass (a speaker, etc.) by interrupting with questions or taunts. <<You aint funny.>>
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khufu
Comment: BOOT our language reveals us and oftimes betrays us....opinions are based on language....the posters (the 3 prior to my first post) use language that suggest that such a crime as Richard's does not warrant financial compensation....im sorry but my rights as A Black person warrant financial compensation when violated.....the same way the posters I refer to would probable dend if Jews sued someone for Anti-Semtic remarks (and they aint even Semitic!)
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khufu
Comment: "probably defend..."
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bigheadbull2
Comment: What is truly sad is the fact that the men who he directed his tirade to are not the persons who did the heckling. Down through history we have been raped, lynched, sold, abused, had forks stuck up our %*$es and no one gave us a dime. If these gentleman and lady can get paid for their pain and suffering I say go for it. I refuse to give him a get out of jail free card
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Southernbelle
Comment: I'm with khufu on this one. Those guys were publicly humiliated in the worst kind of way. Richard's apologies are shallow and superficial. He's just going through the motions until we all forget about his rants. The best way to get at him is in the pocket. In this capitialist society people have sued for less and won. If the compensation is good enough I bet Richards would think twice before his "nonracist" self goes off on another tantrum. It would also teach a lesson to any future "nonracists" that may want to follow in his footsteps.
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo...I am and will always be for reparations...Maybe they can toss a few extra bucks to those cats for the Richards remarks...khufu, I hear ya and I can see where ya comming from...
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McNasty
Comment: As some point in our lives it just has to be about more than money. I guess it's because my bottom line isn't about the almighty dollar and more about respect and understanding. The word ain't going away any time soon and there aren't enough dollars in circulation to take the stink off it or sting out of it. It's a chance to school which is what we need to be doing anydamnedway. Khufu it's apparent that you're a noveaunicca cause you're always trying to go after somebody's pockets as opposed to ANY other alternative - speaks loudly to your pseudointellect!!
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B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Yo, I am and will always be for reparations...Maybe they'll toss those cats a few extra bucks for the Richards remarks...khufu, I hear ya and I can see where ya comming from...
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khufu
Comment: MCnasty....psuedo intellect? Nah just not as mentally incompetent as you.....there are times when the social action is needed...there are times when the political one is appropriate....there are times when the military one works....and there are times when the legal one is most appropriate...BLACK FOLKS LIKE YOU dont seem to want to be healed...dont want to be free...dont want to be treated humanely and in a dignified way..IF YOU DID you'd fight using all the mechanism available.....
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Angel
Comment: Khufu - I hope that Richards, due to public pressure, gets hit financially in the pocket, BUT I hope the majority of the money goes to a worthy cause and not just to these individuals. I don't think LEGALLY they would have a case against Richards to receive compensation. You have to be able to prove damages and, unfortunately, the old adage about "sticks and stones" would probably prevail. That is why Gloria Allred is going the mediation route with a retired judge (because you know that Gloria LOVES to sue....so you know if she thought she had ANY case, she would have done so.)
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khufu
Comment: MCNASTY..the money is symbolic fool!!! white folks understand two things in case youve never realized this in your sheltered plantation life (you do work for the man dont you?)...military action and legal action with monetary damagae awarded...hitting them in their pockets!!!!
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khufu
Comment: MCNASTy..your language betrays you....filled with resentment toward FREE THINKERS...get that FREE.......those who cannot see the need for (w)holistic strategies to empower Black folks and really get our FREEDOM are enemies to Black folks..onl a fool or spy would not see the significance of legal action as strategy in a case like this.....a small mid reduces such a respnse as "they jus wanna get paid" or "they are opportunists"
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khufu
Comment: ANGEL agreed that's why and when you need a REAL BLACK LEADER involved at this pint....see that meeting with Richrads should be udicial and political...the poltical componet would be to have him commit some scio-poltical reparational act towards the community by establishing a scholarship fund at three Black colleges or univerities as well as pay the victims damages
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khufu
Comment: MCNASTY a pseudo intellectual far supercedes being pea brained! LOL
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khufu
Comment: a small mind reduces such a response as "they jus wanna get paid" or "they are opportunists"
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khufu
Comment: sorry trying to do something else LOL a small minded person reduces such an important act as their legal action in this matter to a response such as "they jus wanna get paid" or "they are opportunists"
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Southernbelle
Comment: Angel>I cosign. Ideally, the guys should receive some sort of compensation. But, at the very least Richards should donate funds to black causes i.e., UNCF, NAACP as a apart of his "ethnic rehabilitation".
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musbdherbs
Comment: Not that ne1 is interested, but have these guys actually said that they are GOING to sue...or is it the media saying that they would sue? I heard both guys on last Monday while on the today show. Both of them said, after repeatedly being asked, that they were looking into that option (sue), but mos def would like to sit down w/Richards and have a face to face.
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Angel
Comment: Southernbelle - I also think that he needs to do some community service. Just writing a check doesn't really cut it for me. Since it's not court ordered, it will never be the kind of money that will "punish" him. Personally, I think they should drop his azz in the middle of the hood without money or a cell phone and let him figure out how to make amends there, too. LOL
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khufu
Comment: oh hell to the no on the NAACP as recepient of any payment....and Jesse has already been paid FYI more than likely "Consultant Fees"
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Harriet
Comment: The people who PAID to enter that establishment did so in order to laugh- not to be humilitated, disrespected and the target of racist rantings by a comedienne HIRED by said establishment. If they so choose, then I think that they should definitely sue for that same establishment had that same comedienne back as scheduled, performing the next night. Who was surprised by this other than the patrons. Seinfeld never had Black people on his show. Richard's apologies are meaningless. They will mean nothing for he is a racist. He himself admitted, after professing that he wasn't a racist, that sometimes feelings erupt inside of him and they are hateful and angry and vicious. If that isn't a racist then what is? Freedom of Speech is truly a constitutional right, but what about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Racism works against all three of those. When a racist cracker screws up and has to come forth and apologize, how do they choose to whom he apologizes? I saw a clip with Richards doing a radio show and some Black "leaders" were there including Paul Mooney. Who gets to speak for the people when such an incidence occurs?
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khufu
Comment: and by the way...has the NAACP made a public comment about the Richards scandal? (FYI: former Pres Mifume is a Freemasion, too)
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DOne
Comment: I see khufu's point about hate speech, however, i'm really tired of the law suit culture in this country. And don't think that if we are able to sue white people for using the "n" word in public that the table won't get turned and we will find ourselves being sued for saying things about them or some other ethnic group. From a legal stand point, it goes both ways. Also, what or who determines what is hate speech. What happens when someone is call "fat" or a "fag" in public? Does the "n" word hurt more? Many will say yes, but if you are the person being call "fat" or a "fag" you might feel otherwise. Personally, I just don't think its a good thing to have a society in which people sue everytime their feeling are hurt, thats the ultimate political correctness.
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khufu
Comment: that's FREEMASON
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khufu
Comment: DONE brilliant point! I was hoping soeone else brought that up! If he were successully sued, that would open the doors for floks to start suing rappers. Hmmmm...do you think that MIGHT curb the usage of the N word in rap music?
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DOne
Comment: on another note, i don't understand the need to have people apologize for statements, when we know they were speaking from the heart and are only apologizing due to public pressure. I say let people deal with the consequences of whatever happens when they open their mouth
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khufu
Comment: and as a strategy, lawsuits sometimes work far beter than continuallt trying to appeal to a person's or a people's sense of morality, justice and "rightness." If Thurgood Marshall and pthers had not made certain LEGAL moves, how do you think the "Civil Rights Movement" would have ended up?
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MER82
Comment: I have to say in this case, Khufu is on point about the differing laws regarding Hate crimes/speech. The patrons were verbally %*$aulted-which should result in what exactly? If this happened at a person's place of employment what should happen? I mean there are reasons these laws exist outside of free speech. I am about tired of Negroes exclaiming that white folk are doing it because we are doing it....white folk invented the term-Kramer dude reminded us of the reasons why--there are plenty who think the same way he does. Granted, hip hop music has made the term more popular among young folk-and whites have picked up on it--but Kramer dude would have said what he said regardless of our current popular culture. He obviously has issues and he needs to pay the cost for his rage. That is what happens in the US of A.
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Southernbelle
Comment: musbdherbs> I don't think the guys intend to sue but they are seeking monetary compensation through mediation according to their attorney, Gloria Allred. I think as someone pointed out earlier this may be a difficult case to prove in a court of law. As a result. Ms. Allred decided to use an alternative approach in having a retired judge preside over a mediation between the parties. The guys will meet with Richards and express their pain and suffering as a result of his tirade and Richards may or may not offer monetary retribution.
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DOne
Comment: khufu, I think it would open the doors for people to sue rappers on growns of misogyny, homophophia, and not just rappers. I also think it would open doors for Jews to sue groups like the Nation of Islam everytime someone says something that is considered anti-semetic. Isn't some asian group is supposely suing someone about remarks made about them over charging in blk communities. I also hope that case should is thrown out because I believe in the end everything will get turned around and we blks will find ourselves the ones being sued the most.
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Harriet
Comment: Someone asked where was Al Sharpton. As of my morning reading, he is in New York on behalf of Sean Bell. He is trying to figure out why the brother was gunned down the night before his wedding and why his friends now lay shot and chained to a hospital bed. Rev. Sharpton questioned why they were chained and what were the charges.
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khufu
Comment: DONE sure anyone can sue but not all suits would be found worthy......Jews could not and would not sue for being called anti-Semitic...Farrakhan has suggested that they do but they wont as Jews would lose that one........
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musbdherbs
Comment: Oh ok..thx. I haven't looked at this pending case nor have I looked at California law regarding hate speech. Although niggher is the only part of the speech we and the media are focusing on, I'm azzuming that the "other" statements would be what they would have grounds to "sue" on. Any action on the NYC police brutality case w/the young groom? Just wondering...
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khufu
Comment: Sharpton is also in ATL dealing with the shooting of the 92 year old elder...AL is on the ball..apparently he didnt sell his Masonic affiliation out to Richards
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DCNupe
Comment: They should seek compensation. For all of you all tripping, go and offend a Jewish organization and see how they come out you. You'll be buying them bagels for a year, and then they still will not have anything to do with you. Young brothers, take his cash and buy a house right next to him so he has to look at you all day long. Better yet, I hope they have something set up to invest the funds. Nothing would make Amerikkka madder than to see these guys use this cash to change and improve their position in life for the long term where future generations are eating off this dudes words.
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bigheadbull2
Comment: There is a situation on this job where the manager asked an employee at a dinner in front of other employees had she ever worked as a stripper. Now this woman has sang for the President of the United States, Patti Labelle and Stevie Wonder, teaches school part time, has a nice car and clothes and all he can equate her success to is stripping. It has gotten so bad that there are two other men (brothers unfortunatly) who everytime they address her there is a stripper reference. She has become so tired of it and even a little scared of one of the brothers cause he is so combative. By the way the manager who made the comment is a Jewish man. What should she do? I will check back later.
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MER82
Comment: Besides by keeping this Richards situation in the news-it can alert the white media-film makers in particular-that the majority of us are not okay with this word being sprinkled (as it is currently), randomly throughout certain new movies that often have nothing to do with black folk. Perhaps they will realize that black folk are more than popular media dicatates and cease and desist with their broad resurgent use of the word.
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Harriet
Comment: DOne- If you paid 45dollars to attend a play with your spouse or guest, and was then ridiculed and berated and publicly and hatefully verbally attacked by the an employee of such an establishment, simply because you said they prepared your steak wrong, would you not seek legal action? Do you think you'd have a right to seek legal and civil action?
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DoctorSmooth
Comment: DONE... I aggree with you. I feel like even if their feelings were hurt, people cant expect to be paid just because someonee's words hurts them. What happens when some white person hears racial jokes directed at them by a black comedian? Should they sue and get paid too? Where does it end? If anything I'd suggest Mr Richards make a donation to the United Negro College Fund or some other AA charity as a sign of his repentance (sincere or not). Then lets move on.
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DCNupe
Comment: McNasty , you are out to lunch somewhere with that re-education crap...
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Harriet
Comment: musbdherbs- Although Richard's repeated hateful shout of NICCA was bothersome, I was much more disturbed by his statement that 50 years ago (or was it 40) he would have had us strung up with a fork up our azzes. Is he advocating lynching? Does he have a white robe in his closet? I found that very disturbing.
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Harriet
Comment: DoctorSmooth- This wasn't a racial "joke." This was a verbal racial attack. Any time you are attacked, you have the right to seek action, be it physical, criminal or civil.
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khufu
Comment: write on Harriet...right on: "Although Richard's repeated hateful shout of NICCA was bothersome, I was much more disturbed by his statement that 50 years ago (or was it 40) he would have had us strung up with a fork up our azzes.."
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Harriet
Comment: bigheadbull2- That is harrassment and she should confer with her attorney.
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khufu
Comment: see HARRIET the fact that many of the posters here just dont understand HATE SPEECH and the major insult expressed by Richards shows HOW DESENSITIZED certain Black folks have become to the power of insults hurled at them and about them...how and why? Because these same folks here who dont seem to understand and who merely find Richard's remarks as something "light" have been saturated and bombarded with the N word (and other language)as regular part of their popular culture daily inake....they need to stop listening to the rap music and reading that new Urban Literature.......
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DOne
Comment: >Khufu, you are correct, not all suits would be found worthy, but once you open that cans of worms its hard to predict. People are winning lawsuits today for things that would have been considered stupid 30 years ago.
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khufu
Comment: DONE agreed
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DOne
Comment: >Harriet, no I would not necessarily seek legal action if an employee of an establishment verbally attacked me. Chef's in high end restuarants have been know to go out on diners who didn't like their food. I speak with my dollars, I would never go back and let everyone I know never to go there. If i was really upset, I might even start a website or blog against the estiblishment. And if the employee feelings didn't represent the establishment, then i would complain to management. However, there isn't any guanartees in life that your feelings won't get hurt
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lovinlife
Comment: Harriet > are you serious they have them chained to a bed???
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McNasty
Comment: Khufu you spend more time on the attack on this board than most and if you're so sure you're right aren't you in the wrong place? And when you know you're wrong you stoop to calling names. I'm finished communicating with you, you make no sense and you're the one that feeds into the bullshat that society throws and especially if you think that everyone should get paid for being insulted. You come off as militant and then end up so far left of any rational or well thought out point . . no matter - makes no sense to sue richards when this is a perfect opportunity to school the masses.
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Harriet
Comment: lovinlife- I am very serious.
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Harriet
Comment: DOne- Thank you for your response. I think that you and I disagree on what took place. You see them as words that "hurt feelings" and I see them as words that violated their self and their rights.
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PlanetRock
Comment: Of the 76 comments I have read on this board thus far, 33 of them were posted from Khufu. That's 43% of the comments posted by one person - Khufu. No offense to Khufu, but one or two posts suffice or else it makes most readers decide to skip reading a one-sided argument. In the future, can Khufu please keep the comments to one or two to be more effective. I love EUR, but this is excessive.
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McNasty
Comment: DCNupe don't make a habit of posting to me I'm not interested in your thoughts, thanks. The fact is if all who had kids had bothered to educate them the music wouldn't sound like it does. It's as much of an education for us as anyone else cause we slang that word around like we actually own it.
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Harriet
Comment: khufu- For some reason, you will always have some Black people who deem lawsuits frivolous and who will advise those offended to just "move on." That is what I have read here today. Some think that they shouldn't sue. Some say that they hope the case gets thrown out and some have suggested we just "move on." The desensitization point you raise is a valid one. Even if sueing is not something we would personally do, why chastise the next brother or sister for doing so? I don't understand that. Why wish them failure if the case does reach trial? I don't understand that? How can we so cavalierly say "let's just move on" when Mel Gibson was on television for a month because of his offense of the Jews. I don't understand that.
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musbdherbs
Comment: Uhm..Khufu..uhmm..prior to your end of the week revelation, I don't recall you focusing on the additional/racist comments from Richards. You seemed to be focused on the one word...niggher. In fact, I believe that's when you started giving us a history of the Free Masonry (and it's poor relevance to Michael), a history of the word niggher, the books you've read, the websites you want to direct us to in order to learn our history etc. So let's not act as if your 7th sense is such that you were focusing on his "additional comments" while everyone else was thinking of "nigghers"... cuz that ain't true homie.
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ChocolateBrownGal
Comment: Thank you Planet Rock, Musbdherbs for your recent comments! While I can appreciate everyone's opinions, it's becomes disheartening when a member wants to post but runs the risk of being verbally abused and insulted for simply giving an opinion. At times I find Khufu's comments to certain individuals very harsh, & even though not directed towards me, I took offense when you insulted McNasty and others on this board today. I don't want to get into a debate over this, so I'm done... Keep your heads up everybody!
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katgrrrl
Comment: Reparations!
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Name:
YLawdY
Comment: ChocolateBrownGal ...maybe those individuals can sue him for "Hate Speech"
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McNasty
Comment: Thank you ChocolateBrownGal - it makes no sense why we can't talk points instead of insulting folk cause they don't agree. The fact that richards made the racial statement he did, not nicca is the reason education is better than forking over dough - hell we can't even agree on which organization it should go to!
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wiccar
Comment: dam people and EUR. WTF? news on Sean Bell already dying 'n dat man was "lynched" NY style. ya's up n here runnin mouth bout some crazy fool 4 the 50/11th time. %*$ mofo Richards. what about Sean Bell?
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adifferentpath
Comment: I say hit 'em in his direct pocket. I say, don't get into the " well, I don't have a problem w/ him saying the n word b/c we say it, but this portion of speech over here is what bothers me...." thing. ALL THE WORD BOTHER Me. No need to sit up and sift through that mess, Richards didn't sift through his thoughts before they left his mouth. We shouldn't use the word so freely, and we usually do cease to easily let this slip out as we mature, at the same time, the word was passed down from the slave master to us, not the other way around. We can show some solidarity and stop saying it amongst each other- use "fish eyed fool and jive turkey" (delicious favorites- smile). However, it's several issues rolled into one with the word but Richards- Git 'Em
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Drooby98
Comment: Harriet, you are absolutely correct. No one should be chastised for stating opinions. However, you confuse me by addressing that comment in cahoots with the one person on this board who seems to pride himself in making feeble attempts at belittling fellow posters. Wiccar, I totally agree. Let's stop lending credence to this buffoon! Screw him and all that think like he does. We should stop focusing so much on this idiot and focus on teaching our children self love and respect, an appreciation for good mucsic absent terms of degredation, and by all means, teach them that unfortunately in the real world, this kind of ignorance will always exist.
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DOne
Comment: I agree Harriet, we are looking at it differently. The issue is one person's hurt feelings is another's violation of self and rights. Who determines the difference. If the check out person in the supermarket line pizzed you all and you went off on them, and they feel that you violated their self, should you be open to a lawsuit? My attitude isn't so much about this case, but lawsuits in general in this country. People sue for every little thing. it clogs up the court system, causes insurance rates to increase, etc.,
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Harriet
Comment: Drooby- Confused you how? Regardless of what one may think of Khufu (I don't post here everyday so I really don't know)I agreed with his take that African Americans are de-sensitized to some issues. What is confusing about that?
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Harriet
Comment: DOne- The court determines the difference. That is what they are for.
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Tiedie
Comment: I don't know that they will get paid, nor will I argue that they should or shouldn't. I will say, if they had kept their mouths shut like everyone else in the audience, this would have never happened. I grew up in Arkansas and I have had many racial fights so I don't need any sensitivity lessons on the use of the N-word. I don't find it funny when blacks use it either. Kramer/Richards can go to anger management courses for the rest of his life and it wouldn't make me one bit of difference because I know that's how he really feels. That's how a lot of THEM really feel. Ever since I have lived in California, I've run into so many Blacks who swear up and down they've never experienced racism. They seem to live under the delusion that being from California makes them better than Southern blacks. So now something like this happens to remind them that to 25/20 we are ALL N****s and everybody is so devastated. Hell, if checks are being written for everytime someone is called that word, I should be cashing enough checks to put me in Oprah's income bracket.
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bigheadbull2
Comment: Harriet thanks I knew I could count on you to say the right thing
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Name:
khufu
Comment: Chocolate..sue me but kiss my azz...McNastybinsulted me first or caint you read?
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khufu
Comment: MUS...ah, the Masonic analysis was accurtae whether you accept it or see it...secondly, you obviously have me mistaken for someone else.....but last wee I as focusing on ALL of what he said.....youre such a jealous hater that on my worst day my "left field" sheet is more accurate than you will ever be...LOL sue me
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Name:
khufu
Comment: let' see who else am i going to invite to kiss my azz
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Name:
khufu
Comment: PLanet ROck you ACTUALLy counted how many times I posted? Damn youre obsessed with me hh? Welcome to a free America where Democracy really does live...on the internet.....you REALLY pounted and came up with a percentage.....LOL that's funny...dude.....get a life
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imtalking
Comment: Why are sooooooooooooo many people get the two term confused???????? "a ni@@a is tired, I been working all day"(private conversation with friend). "There's a nigg3r, There's a nigg3r(from a non-black)-2 totally different terms. Stop being so LAME! I don't call yt people crackers cause it would be offensive coming from me, but if they call eachother cracks, cracka behind close doors, hey- thats they business. And if I found out they call eachother cracker behind close doors~i guess I would have to dig up another name when I need to be on my "bad behavior" and insult them. LOL but Im serious!
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Name:
bigheadbull2
Comment: Khufu LOL
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Name:
DCNupe
Comment: McNasty, come on now, dont be NASTY. I was not personally attacking, just not feeling your comments, but its your opinion and I respect it OK. Now we all good!
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: Gloria Allred is a volture or a leach. She is always somewhere claiming Pain & Suffering. Give me a damn break.
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: However, as I have mentioned before the fact that he used the N word then went a step furthur by saying "Your %*$ would have been hanging from a tree 50 years ago"! I thought, what the hell, Kramer has lost his damn mind. "Hanging from a Tree"... Is he insighting bodily harm on these individuals...maybe...it could sparks some sick minds out there. And I wouldn't meet with those (3). He should meet with all ticket goers who attended that show.
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Name:
DCNupe
Comment: I do have kids and I am teaching them about the wack music we have out there. My wife will not allow me to play most stuff around them, so my daughters watches church videos and gospel movies all day long. But I also educate her that these bamas are out to get you. I keep educating my kids, and they both are under 4, sh*t they think daddy is Malcolm X or something how much I preach in the house.
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Name:
ladybyrd
Comment: DCNupe > LOL... that's funny!
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Name:
RMP7772000
Comment: Bootanebootus, I agree with all you said! Damion Wayans did it at a show
right after that and got banned. So i'm
looking for a check from black and white people!!!!!!!
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