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Name: goodnplenty1957

Comment: i do call it buffoonery. but we all know the women on there are strictly for exposure and their 15 minutes of fame....again i use the title of the old school song by the group DIVINE SOUNDS...WHAT PEOPLE DO FOR MONEY!..i wonder what would happen if the had a show titled the millionaire bachelor or bachelorette..and they were black. how would that go over? the thing is...the industry will do anything for us to be made fools in the public eye..again..divide and concur..some blacks might like it, and some dont. and if its not to your liking..CHANGE THE CHANNEL.

Name: missgee

Comment: I totally agree goodnplenty1957, it's all done for money and 15 min of fame. If flav was the everyday guy on the street I don't think none of those women on the show would be interested in him.

Name: Teigh

Comment: I finally caught a few episodes of this show and the first thing I noticed is that at approx :41 minutes --the women start fighting or start some kind of drama like clockwork. I also had to deprogram myself because I started saying "Wow"...it seems to be the most repeated word on the show. After 3 episodes I began to wonder exactly who is advertising on this show -- which was indeed an eye opener when you consider that this is a reality show so the women can't possibly be making any more than $300 per show (if that much). It's not Flav's house and who would possibly want to be known as the women who won Flavor of Love, or even a woman who was on the show.

Name: GHank

Comment: Although I'm not a fan of the show, there are so many other things we as black people need to be worried about. If images is what we are talking about, then attacking Flava Flav isn't going to solve our image problem. We need to talk more about the negative images that we give off in everyday life. Crime, drugs, the lack of eduction among our children, etc. Besides, if Flava is earning dollars and is supporting his family issues (ie, child support), then I can't be too mad at him. He could be doing worse things.

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: Humliation TV. It seems the world loves to see people get humiliated and that's why watching shows like this and BBB is a "guilty pleasure." Have we become so desperate to be included in the mainstream tht having a show like this one is better than not having one at all? And the favorite character of all?? Ms. New York. Why??? Because she's the wildest. But that's people for ya. Never satisfied. When Cosby was on, some chided that show as unrealistic because the children were articulate and the parents were professionals. Yes, some people love to see black folk act the fool, that's just a fact. These types of shows were spawn by the likes of Jerry Springer and The Real World. Reality TV. Bottom line: it shows the depravity of the human spirit. We choose not to showcase the elevation of the human spirit; we choose more to focus on the degradation. Sad state of affairs

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: ...Not only does he get power from the negative...He also gets money from it too. This is one of the highest rated programs on VH1 and is very popular in Black households...I gotta admit to watching the show...At times it makes you wanna choke his lil ugly azz...Yo, what else is a 50ish comedy relief rapper gonna do?... It ain't like he can drop a CD and tour to sold out crowds...I do think that the show has run it's course and folks are tired of the act....Plus you can always press the remote...Imma agree with Nelson George..Flav is a clown and not a cat that babes would go gaa-gaa over...This what makes the show..."cause once the camera stops the panties no longer drop...Those babes are outta there....Plus how are you gonna stop a man from bojanglin for dollars when he's busted down broke?...

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: ...Cause it ain't no joke when a man's broke...busted...walking 'round broke and it ain't no jive trying to stay alive...listen...It's called survival...Remember, Flav was scalping yankee tickets and living in a tenement slum...tenement slum...He's a prime candidate for bojanglin for dollars...Hopefully, he'll pay his child support....Hell, he always bojangled but we tolerated it 'cause he was down with the P.E. and every lil ho was trying to see he...Now they're on the TV...

Name: kingme

Comment: Flava Flav, youv'e done it again! no matter what any of us say, we are doing what the industry wants us to--talkin about Flav and the show.times are not at their best so i would imagine the wanna-be movie starlets are doing what they think is going to be some form of credential in order to put it on the old resume. this is surely buffoonery at it's very best! i have only seen previews of shows- so i know that it's not to my liking- so i don't waych it like i didn't watch being strung out Brown!

Name: robijoa

Comment: I just wonder how Flavor Flav can be with Public Enemy talking about "fight the power" then turn around and do something like this. Coming from the Old school, it just puzzles me.

Name: McNasty

Comment: GHank good post! Flavor of Love is all the negative adjectives anyone can come up with but none of us has any control over. We are supposedly connected to our communities and that's where our attention and action should be. That way none would have time to even watch the damn show let alone criticize it. It is what it is and the creature looking Flav is surely getting paid for it.

Name: MDhornet

Comment: "Black people tend to think that every image that is projected in the media is somehow a judgment on their reality. And that's just not the case." SO TRUE, SO TRUE. Change the channel if you don't like it and watch something else. Flava definitely does not represent me. Man, that comment in the article that he resembles a california raisin cracks me up.

Name: McNasty

Comment: Boot some panties already dropped cause this man has a rack of kids! In a man's world William Drayton would be in an enviable position but for the fact that the girls aren't the best looking and present as scrippers and in real time I can't imagine any of them being gainfully employed outside the scrip club, you know, the one the ying yang twins hang at.LMAO

Name: YLawdY

Comment: It's like watching a cartoon, like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

Name: HoneyMack

Comment: don't u just want to throw up in your mouth when u see them kiss.. after the 1st season I was done, i can only catch it if i pass by when switching channels

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: >robijoa. I agree with you. God bless America!!!! The land of the free and the home of the paid!

Name: ss69054

Comment: I don't think many of you get the big picture about this stupid buffoonery show. It is sickening to see a black man or woman humiliate themselves for a couple of dollars. We continue to sellout to an image that degrades us. How many of our folks will continue to think it is ok to be made fools? It was humiliating back then and still is. Some of yall are just still sleeping and won't wake up. And yes you are right, I have a choice not to watch this clown and the wannabee no-chance stars. I do exactly what was stated, change the channel.

Name: Grace

Comment: TO: YLawdY] Your comment was funny. I didn't watch last season. I started watching this season because of Something. I got clowned for it at work. My mom watch it now after my baby sister and two cousins were discussing it in her presence. My mom think he's going to pick New York. She think people are now drawn into New York and now her mom. I'm trying to get my older sister to let me look at season 1 on DVD. She hasn't called me back. One caller on 105.1 in NY made a comment about his kids being ugly. Sunday's episode prove different.

Name: xavixavi

Comment: Nelson George is REALLY wrong on this. In this country they have the realitively few pics of the Jessie Jackson's & Ed Brandley's, then they have the many images of the nellie's flavor flav's, and 50 cents'. It is is really easy to believe that this is how most of us live and act. You can't tell me that "Bend it like Beckham" or "Bride and Prejudice" didn't make you feel like you have a glimpse into Indian life. Whenever we see glimpses into cultures that aren't our own or that we aren't familiar with, we tend to believe what we see as true. It's human nature. There are still many MANY parts of this country where white people don't see or interact with a black person until they get into college, if at all. To have tv images of this us doing this crap is just outrageous. I refuse to watch stuff like that or "Being Bobby Brown". It caters to others needs to see people "worse" than them make fools of themselves on tv.

Name: DCGG

Comment: Flav Flav is a herpe sore on the %*$ of humanity...

Name: Fran

Comment: Well, I really love the show and I am an educated black woman. I am very sensitive to any shows which makes blacks look bad. However if you are a reality junky like I am, you will find that there is no racism in the show. If you want to see degrading, watch Real World on MTV. It makes white people look unruly, oversexed, and totally uneducated. Moreover, Flav has a few token whites on the show that act just as bad if not worse than the black women on the show (in both 1 and 2 seasons-- Goldie, Toastie, Krazy, and the trailer trash, Buckwild.) I do miss shows like the Cosby's, but I do love me some "Flavor of Love." Lastly, Flav is getting paid, "surreal life, strange love, flavor of love 1-2." He is truly an entertainer to pull of so many successful shows. Dont hate, just watch the show and enjoy.

Name: kady

Comment: Fran>> Goldie from Season 1 was black. She was the one that Flav would refer to as 'country'.

Name: Snicker

Comment: -->Fran i like the show too even though i do feel that flav is too old to act the way he does even if it is an act......other races are around enough black people on average to know that the majority of us do not walk around with gold teeth, horns on our head, and big azz clocks around our necks.....if any of them think that then that's just what they want to think not because they feel it's true because even other races that are not around black people see other black people on tv who don't act like that.

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: Fran, you have a right to your opinion, however, when you say there is no racism on the show, I think you are missing the point...it's not so blatant, it's more subtle. Flav looks like a modern day Jolly N***er Bank. If you do not know what this is, look it up on the internet. Also, you can clearly see that his actions are in par with some of the characterizations portrayed by Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, Stephin Fetchit, Eddie "Rochester" Anderson. But given the time period they were actors, this was all that these black men (who were brilliant by the way) could play. I could sit here an write a thesis on this whole subject, but I suggest you check out all of the references written above and then read "Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Bucks: An interpretive History of Blacks in American Films" and "Primetime Blues: African Americans on Network Television" both by Film historian Donald Bogle. I suggest you catch a TCM black history film DVD and finally I suggest you watch "Birth of a Nation". I would like to hear your opinion of "Flavor of Love" after doing what I suggested. Peace Out.

Name: majones

Comment: I watch the show too and agree with Fran. And honestly how many of these "reality" shows are real anyway?? After watching Sunday's dramatic episode w/NY and her mama - you can't tell me that wasn't bad acting..... (Almost)All of these girls have pages on "myspace" and they all say the same thing - model, actress, video ho....

Name: HoneyMack

Comment: Fran>> u ain't the only one wit edumucation and we ain't hatin' we un's is just pointin' out it makes us looks foolish in the eyes of yt.. Girl, that is the way the expect us to act, so what we give them what they want? Why does ABC have the Bachelor and it is so much more Classy? You don't see an AA man headlining that show, get a grip and get real!

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: I also have to note that for a man who was in a group who were VERY conscious of their heritage it is a DISGRACE that Flav (who wind up being his own "night of the living baseheads"..if you have to ask, then you just don't know), would have to even resort to do this kind of degradation for ANY AMOUNT of money.

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: Fran, I would have to ask you: why do YOU love the show? I'd like to know, as well. What part of you does the show appeal to?

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: I also have to add, since I know people who know people who work for VH1..let me tell you, they are disgusted...Flav is not getting PAID like everyone thinks he is. VH1, Comedy Central, MTV, BET are all owned by Viacom and he is no Ashton Kutcher. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: ...There's a looooong history of Black performers bojangling...Read Donald Bogels book Toms, Coons, Mammy's, Bucks and Bojangler's for a more in depth profile...There's also his second volume: Thugs, Pimps, Ho's, Coochies and beyocthes. I reccomend both volumes...As long as we have positive Black folks to counter the Bojanglers then I see no problem..In some way all of us have had to Bojangle at some time. It could be something as innocent as laffing at a white person when they go into "Black-speak"..."Hey girlfriend" that kind of sh1t or when whites make fun of other blacks when you're around and you laff it off...or when the director ask you to play on the company basketball team and you know yo azz can't play but you bojangle on the court and try to appear Jordanesquse...tounge all out and sh1t...clanking and throwing up bricks...Isn't that a form of bojangling?...Worse yet is when he asks you to play a round of golf with the creative team and you hack all dayum day...Even worse is at the company party when they ask you to dance and show'em how to do the electric slide or step....I know everybody here has Bojangled at some time....Some of ya'll Bojangling right now at work....

Name: dcdouglass01

Comment: Flav is a clownish, silly guy. He was that way in Public Enemy (the comic relief of the group, if you will), he's that way now. And he can't be blamed that he's never going to be the best looking guy in a room of guys (even if there are only two guys in the room). So he's found a lucrative outlet to be his silly, ugly self. More power to the brother. And let the bourgeoisies continue to eat their cake and seek acceptance amongst their Republican friends.

Name: HoneyMack

Comment: u right BOOT, thats why whenever, they have something at work or after work, i always got something to do, not trying to be a "team player" or a "token"

Name: jboy

Comment: "...Black people tend to think that every image that is projected in the media is somehow a judgment on their reality. And that's just not the case." That says it ALL. This show is for those who just want to get into a bit of silly escapism. PERIOD. If you think that this show makes YOU look bad, then you've got bigger issues than just this show. If you don't like this kind of television, do as I do with 99.9% of the crap they have on these days...DON'T WATCH!

Name: dcqt

Comment: Considering that he has been a "buffoon" for over 15 years even with PE, I don't know why people are dogging him. This behavior ain't hardly new.

Name: gingerg

Comment: It's straight up coonery!

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: Never been "bougie" and sure as hell never been a Republican. But have been aware of my history... Hey BOOT!! Glad to see another person who has read Bogle! :)...

Name: gingerg

Comment: I like what Dwayne Wickham had to say. He is on point. I wouldn't take anybody else but George Curry to talk about Flav real good.

Name: jboy

Comment: dcdouglass01: Couldn't have said it better. The boojies would have EVERY Black show be Cosby'esque or not be shown at all. However, I recall when Cosby was at it's peak one of the main criticisms of it was that the show wasn't realistic...that it didn't reflect the REAL Blacks of this country. So, if the characters are articulate, courteous, and successful they're not REAL. If they're inarticulate, broke, etc. it's a negative steroetype. As for Flav, I agree with those who say he realizes that his strong points are his outlandishness (buffoonery if you please...for you HATERS) and that he's not the best looking guy on TV. So he's playing up his strong points...And getting PAID.

Name: EdnaMae

Comment: I'll admit, I was a fan of this show, he is so unattractive, but seems like a nice guy. Now, i don't watch, he is so busy trying to get 'some" that its disgusting. Then to boost the ratings, they bought in the WORST stereotype of a black woman, that low class $2 weave wearing New York. I don't advocate any sort of a beat down, but this "woman,", a word I use loosley at best needs her weave snatched off and put in her place, she is just AWFUL, if she is even a real woman, more like a loud, drunk drag queen.

Name: gingerg

Comment: We can get on here and decry our situation all we want, but as long as "millions" of black people are willing to turn into a show that is obviously degrading, the producers/ executives will continue to make this garbage. They think we're stupid and can't comprehend anything other than the most base fare. You prove them right by watching this mess.

Name: Southernbelle

Comment: I tried to watch this show. I really did. Around my office and on here (EUR) it's frequently mentioned. I wanted to be apart of the conversations regarding this show. But, about ten minutes into the show I found myself getting sick to the stomach. I mean I really felt like I could throw-up at any time. For the sake of my health I've decided to stay away from the Flav show. I'll have to file this one under BUFFOONERY.

Name: chocdiva

Comment: jboy > What I recall during the Cosby era was not that the show didn't depict REAL people, but it didn't depict REAL life. I know a lot of discussions were had to discuss how they didn't talk about a lot of issues related to drugs, sex, violence, etc that is in the community. The one episode I do remember was the one where Denise's friend was pregnant. Some just didn't want "Cosby" to live in a bubble. As for Flav, I'm an AVID watcher and don't look at it for some real value. It's purely entertainment. I agree with what B00TANEB00TUS. Do I feel guilty of watching it? No. Do I feel awkward at times? Yes. It's just like anything in Hollyweird. These characters are not totally real and we know reality TV is scripted. As fare as Flav, Chuck D had some words but basically said the Flav you see on the show is Flav. Is it William Drayton? Hmm, that's another question. But as far as I'm concerned, he's just another person doing what he does to get by. Bottom line is that he has to deal with it. Which is part of the reason I think Season 3 will never happen.

Name: jackhart1

Comment: this is not from a recent episode .. this is from last season .. the tirade is between new york & hottie. this is just comedy .. people ..get a life. this is not some great social commentary experiment.

Name: foxxyish

Comment: I will have to agree with Ghank and Fran. I am an educated black women myself and I love the show. I mean maybe some people just love to watch drama and fights. There was nothing more degrading than Jerry Springer. I mean come on, how many people have animal fettishes and crazy junk like that and that is all they talked about. Nobody is putting a gun to these women heads, they all want exposure. Maybe they couldnt get any exposure in the acting business being that some of them are a size 12 and not a 3-6 mnts like most of these way too skinny actresses. Flave is very unattractive and silly but he has been that way since the beginning of time, he nor do the ladies on the show represent me at all, they represent themselves. There are people in the world like that, that is just it. Flave is making money and he is doing it legal. Maybe if we turn on the t.v and see that he just robbed a bank.........then what. Everyone will still talk ,so all you have to do is change the channel.

Name: B00TANEB00TUS

Comment: This definately is a show you would'nt discuss around the water cooler in mixed company....I must admit I'd be very uncomfortable because ya know some white cat is waiting to say it...just waiting...his mouth is watering...he can't wait to say it...it's about to burn a hole in his mouth..'Did you guys see the flavor of love show last night?...yuck, yuck, yuck...Man, that's one funny ni---SLAP-PUNCH-a white boy out....

Name: YLawdY

Comment: What would you do...if there was someone living in your neighborhood that looked, dressed and acted like Flav?

Name: mydchomegirl

Comment: Kudos to MediaAgent and Bootanebootus! I am a big Donald Bogle fan as well. First of all people, do you know what would happen if a white woman is seen defecating on national TV? It would be an outrage and you would have more letters to the networks, internet and all kinds of boycott campaigns. However, this is how we are valued as black women in the media. My point, white women get a prince, millionare, business exec, etc. on the "Bachelor" and black women are offered a broke down ugly old rapper from the 80's. They don't care about us! I was curious about the new season of "Flavor of Love" so I tuned in for the first episode and after the sistah took a dunk on the floor, I was threw! We have to fight to be on television as is and now we are totally disrespected and disregarded. On all of the dating reality television show's Joe Millionaire, etc. These white women are treated like queens in a mansion in competition for someone young with some ecomonic gain and credibility. We are given a hoodrat with 10 children that's been jailed for nonpayment of child support and it's the No.1 show on VH-1. That alone should make us scream! There are plenty of young, strong, financially secure black men that could be the next "Bachelor" that are not entertainers or atheletes. People stop letting the media treat us like second class citizens. Write VH1 or Viacom and tell them that you are tired of our woman being treated like animals. We can have credible shows by black people "Grey's Anatomy" [written by a black woman, Shonda Rhimes] and still be No.1. How many of us tune in each week to see the black chief of surgeon, and a cast of minority lead roles on "Grey's." This show did not feature any house hold names and is currently the No. 1 show on television written by a BLACK woman. God has given us so much talent but we have to also exercise common sense. Please stop letting the white man depict our images on television and just sit back and laugh because it's not funny. Flavor of Love is a modern day vaudeville show!

Name: McNasty

Comment: I can't believe some of these posts. First off who really gives a flying fig about what white folks think of blacks? They have never thought much of us and we are still here and still thriving and surviving. Secondly Flava Flav was a buffoon when he was with Public Enemy, don't try to make him more than what he was cause this show is right up is clowning alley! As for the female defecating on the floor, while it was triflin' and nasty it was an accident and THIS IS REALITY TV WHERE NOTHING IS REAL AND ANYTHING HAPPENS. I hope you folk show this much passion in these numbers at the polls and get more active with the youth in your communities!

Name: McNasty

Comment: YLawd - steer clear cause there is obviously a screw loose!LMBAO Nobody looks like that without getting paid or is straight up crazy.

Name: trini2dbone

Comment: I too watch Flavor of Love and I look at it as pure entertainment. The women on that show do not represent me or what I stand for so I don't see a need to get up in arms about it. Someone brought up the question why should black women degrade themselves on tv...why should people degrade themselves to be recognized period? Some of you must have never watched the Real World...its not just black women who get degraded and shown in an unpositve light. Its women in general white, black, hispanic, asian whatever, and thats what I have a problem with.

Name: Teigh

Comment: I am amazed at the number of people who really think Flava is getting paid -- VIACOM IS GETTING PAID. This is a reality show. This man does not get a cut of DVD sales, or we would read articles like "Flav is laughing all the way to the bank". The payment is more than likely use of that house, clothes, food, bling on loan and VERY LITTLE, I repeat VERY LITTLE money. I would bet pennies to a hundred dollar bill that when Flava of Love has run it's course we will NOT see Flav with investments, a "phat" crib, and child support paid...he'll be right back in front of the tenement slum doing Chicken Noodle Soup or whatever the hot dance craze taken from crack heads or alcoholics is at the moment for change!

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: MERCENARY: working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal. willing to sell one's influence, esp. in return for a bribe; open to bribery; mercenary: a venal judge. 2. able to be purchased, as by a bribe: venal acquittals. 3. associated with or characterized by bribery: a venal administration; venal agreements.

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: Teigh, I agree with last sentence, can you say "GATOR"?

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: to McNasty comment:"I hope you folk show this much passion in these numbers at the polls and get more active with the youth in your communities!" -- I agree, even though I am one of the people b****ing about this show. However, even though the last vote clearly did not count..I cannot deal with the youth in my communities, since their parents are the same ignoramues that are watching "Flavor of Love".

Name: mydchomegirl

Comment: Alright Folks, Yes I have seen the "Real World" but I am talking about the images of "Black People" Do you realize that when you go outside of the United States that most of the images that people view are from what they see on TV? I like being entertained too but not at the cost of my people!

Name: Greg

Comment: I see some people saying that if you don't like the show don't watch. Changing the channel doesn't solve the problem Pretending something isn't there, doesn't change the fact that it is there. I think this is a good forum to get ideas out, but for a change to happen, the information has to be seen by the tv execs that make decisions. Lack of viewership is the only thing that will have an effect. "getting paid", is not an excuse to do an immoral thing. That's called selling out. I think we need to think past the next 5 minutes. What are these images doing to the self esteem of our children? If we, as adults, are this conflicted, how are our kids doing?

Name: jboy

Comment: BOOT: That water cooler remar...Brotha (Sista??) I gotta ask -- WHO WRITES YOUR STUFF??? I can almost always count on you throwing in something that will make me life for the rest of the day every time I think about it.

Name: DallasDiva

Comment: I love the show. I don't believe that there should be a FOL 3 but the show is hella funny. But I do admit I want to vomit when Flav kisses the girls. YUCK!!!

Name: jboy

Comment: As far a VIACOM getting paid, but Flav NOT gettng paid: If I'm not mistaken, the last time I watched the show, when the credits were rolling it showed that FlavorFlav was the executive producer. Producers get PAID(!!!)

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: mydchomegirl: I co-sign with your posts. Black people be careful of the images. The world is watching!

Name: gingerg

Comment: Say it, MyDCHomegirl.

Name: gingerg

Comment: I'm with you DC, but why a brother gotta be broke down, old AND ugly??!!

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: People, don't just get into the media game, understand what can happen to you will ya? Once again, if you do not create the show, own it, or own creative control YOU ARE NOT PAID!!! Executive Producer is just a title...Damm!!! As I said, friends in the business have said, Flav is getting paid more than last season (which was around 50K) but he's not rollin in tha dough. He's hired help. Dave Chapelle (whose show was on comedy central, also Viacom owned) showed us that this did not mean anything since he lost creative control of his show, which is why he bounced, he was not crazy, just realized he put himself in some serious bulls**t. I can clearly see why some of y'all so called artists still get shafted in recording deals. And it still puzzles me: so regardless of how much money you are being paid, it's ok to go on television and disgrace yourself? Let's take this a bit further, the women on this show. You can clearly see that some of them didn't even want to kiss Flav, so you know it's for the money / 15 minutes of fame. All the fighting, about taking my man, (acting or not) is enough to put anyone in a bad light. After this is over, what man in their right mind would even want one of them as his girlfriend/wife. Which also brings me to the disease issue of this show...all that spit swappin is just nasty! One girl I was told (cause I couldn't stomach this show) told Flav that another girl had a cold sore in her mouth and then kissed Flav anyway. UGH!

Name: gingerg

Comment: Once you watch Grey's Anatomy, you won't have time for something like Flavor of Love. It will well-written, thoughtful, has a diverse cast (including the wonderful Isaiah Washington)and intelligent humor. Best of all, it was created by a Shonda Rhimes - a sister.

Name: SilentJay

Comment: Even though I'm not too crazy about yet anohter show that makes black men look like clowns, we can't allow ourselves(black folk)to be distracted from what I think is the main objective. We need to balance the equation. It's not that goofs aren't entertaining because they are but when there are more clowns and crooks on tv then there are carpentars and captains black people become justified in thier indignation. This would be true of any enthnic group that witnessed a constant stream of images that limited them to certain preconcieved notions of manhood, womanhood,sexuality, general social behavior. I've watched a marathon of the Flavor of Love 2 and at first I was mad that once again I see black women shaming their parents name for 47 year old hype man with gold plates and wearing a viking helmet. Then I took a hard look at the women and thier parentes when they showed up for an episode and realized the folly of my anger. Those YOUNG women(I'm 29) are doing what ALOT of you women do. It's only natural for them to want charismatic ex-drug user with 6 kids and not exactly the worlds sexiest face and body(more power to Flav). So I got over my anger and refoucuesed on the real issue. As long as the imbalance exist the few images of us we see on on cable and network tv (CW=Caucasion World) will have the unrealistic expectation of being 'all black things to all black people' and we will look a the Flavor of love with a mix of child like wonder and Grown Black Adult head turning shame.

Name: slimdip

Comment: This is the %*$! that sets us back years. I had a friend over and he told me I should watch this show that it was funny, well I thought Being Bobby Brown was bad this took the cake.

Name: ShayLady

Comment: Does anyone really look at Flav as a representation of the Black race? Flav doesn't represent anything, but a fool.

Name: MsFresno

Comment: I watch the show because it is pure comedy and is funny as hell. In no way do these women (black or white) represent me. Flav has always been Flav he has not changed he has only aged. People nobody is forcing those women to go on tv, they do it because they want to. Like everyone else is saying if you dont like it dont watch it.

Name: MsFresno

Comment: I want to know how is this show setting us back? geezuz white folks are on tv all day long acting fools but we have one show and its setting us back. So I guess by next week we will be back in the fields picking cotton.

Name: MsFresno

Comment: @ginger I also watch Grey's Anatomy have been a fan of it since season one and I also watch 60 minutes but still I watch flavor of love because I love to get my laugh on. Lol laughing is good excercise.

Name: gingerg

Comment: Sorry, I just don't find a black man masquerading as a modern day minstrel and black women acting like hoes for a few dollars amusing.

Name: lovinlife

Comment: What I find ironic is that a lot of the people complaining about Flav are on an infotainment site known to be ignorant as heyell. I think McNasty hit the nail on the head when she said save some of that passion for the polls. Studies show that we STILL don't get out and vote but you wanna sit on an infotainment site and complain about the status of Black folk....nucca please. I can't stand when people talk about how characters on tv represent us...it's called writing and acting. The example of Grey's Anatomy is quite fitting because Bailey is a stereotypical Black woman. Though she's educated and a doctor she has much attitude and sass. How come nobody is up in arms about that??!!! I've traveled extensively outside of the U.S. so I'm not sure where that people from other countries treat you funky because of a character on tv. If they have negative feelings about a race of people that shyt goes back generations and generations. I don't think that a Black man in Paris is gonna get clowned because of Flavor Flav. Some of ya'll take your Black consciousness to the extremes.

Name: gingerg

Comment: I have to agree with you about Bailey on Grey's Anatomy. She's a tad bit stereotypical, but has some other saving graces. The same can't be said for Flava Flav. The show is just low class. Also, you're right about voting. I'll have my say, but you can bet that I'm there for primary and general elections - every time.

Name: jazzfan

Comment: 21st Century minstrel show!

Name: nycGYRL888

Comment: I am by NO stretch of the imagination going to pretend I like the show. It doesn't need to be classified as buffoonery but it needs to be filed under GARBAGE! I've yet to watch an entire episode and after that fat chick crapped on the floor in the first episode this season...I was done with the show altogether! If that's not degrading...I don't know what is! As for Flav making his money...I understand the brotha has bills to pay and child support to dispurse...so I am not mad at him for making a living to take care of his responsibilities. I just wish that when they (YT) were seeking to devise a show around him and his "character"...taste-less, class-less, thought-less & mind-less weren't the main objective!

Name: lovinlife

Comment: gingerg > I love Grey's but I do whince at Bailey's demeanor. I also wince sometimes while I'm watching FOL but I wince cause of the kissing. In all of my 38 years of life have never met a Black man that walks around with a gigantic clock around his neck. In my normal walk of life I don't see Black men with gold fronts and wild jacked up plaits in their hair. My point is if there were Flav clones running around I guess I would be worried. The images that we see on tv are sometimes focked up,no doubt about it. but it's all throughout primetime. We typically are portrayed in a nasty and negative light. We may be pizzed off but we don't get as pizzed off and self righteous as folks are doing about FOL. He's no more setting us back then "the troubled black youth" on most primetime shows. The guy acting in those is just an actor trying to make it and we rarely call him a buffoon and shyt like that. So why does Flav get dogged like that...I think it's cause he's ugly as heyell and most folks are more embarrassed by that then his show.

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: In regards to the statement : "Some of ya'll take your Black consciousness to the extremes"....I think that it's good that we do. Keeps conversation going, opinions brought to the podium and makes people think, whether you agree or disagree with the statements being made. It's called "healthy discourse". I love it.

Name: mydchomegirl

Comment: Okay lovinlife, I've traveled outside of the U.S. as well, however, I didn't say that all people treat you differently outside of the U.S. it is the perception of the black man and black people. Hell, you can go to Boston or Mississippi and getted treated funky. As far as Bailey's character, she is spicy and so are a lot of black women but the character is Dr. Bailey and not Nurse Bailey or Receptionist Bailey. The character Meredith sleeps around alot but are white women calling her a ho! No. I realize that some of the things we do traditionally are pure ghetto and funny but I'm not going to boycott everything and every situation. Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock put a Capital S in sterotypes on their shows sometimes but are also very funny. There are some battles that we can fight and there are some battles that we will lose but comparing Flavor to Bailey is a total horse of a different color. I also vote all the time!

Name: kbig

Comment: 'Flavor of Love' is not the sign of the apocalypse or Revelations. Frankly, if Jamie Foxx were on the show, what would be the difference? He's ugly, too. L'il Jon would be no better. Diffy or Puffy (whatever he's calling himself) would be no better, worrying about his nails and the ladies lotioning their feet. I'm sure the ladies clown on 'The Bachelor' and 'The Bachelorette'. It's just a show. I do agree that just because a woman is on 'Flavor' doesn't mean she should have to bone him. That's why Boots got the boot. He fell asleep on top of Delishis like she was a bearskin rug, but these ladies like him. That's why New York works, because she's like Big Ethel, the lovestruck diva from hell. It's all in the casting. I've seen worse. Flav could step up the intelligence but he's not doing anything worse than the peeps on Celebrity Fat Club or Surreal Life. It's VH-1, not PBS. P.S. Who is Bailey on 'Grey's Anatomy'? The chunky sista always frowning, with the mushroom? Just asking.

Name: MER82

Comment: lovinlife-I think you said it all, most folks are embarassed because of Flav's looks. He isn't a buffoon on the show, his behavior may speak more to a "ghetto hood mentality" than anything else. And the women are trifling, but they are trifling in the videos, and they are trifling just like the YT girls on MTV, etc. Nelson George spoke to it, folk are ashamed of Flav period. And it goes a lot deeper than what white folk and internationals think. It says more about how black folk feel about themselves in general. We still have problems with color in this country--as Black folk. What people hate about themselves is often projected onto others. Oh there would still be some folk complaining about the "buffonery" if it was Jaime Foxx or LL Cool J, but it definitely wouldn't be as loud or as deep. And if anything, Flav should be the biggest one offended that YT wanted to create these shows based off of him, because they mock him and him alone.

Name: Angel

Comment: Flav has always been Flav. If anything, they are clowning these women. The way these women can keep from throwing up when Flav moves in for the kiss or the fondle is beyond me. It is obvious that these women are trying to get their 15 minutes, so I have no love for them. So when Flav shows up looking a hot mess and they have to fake like they think he's so fly and cute, it is just hilarious. And the fact that these chicks actually come to blows over this dude is mind boggling. I must admit though, I can only stand watching a few minutes of this show before I can't stand it. As soon as he tries to kiss or grope somebody, I have to change the channel to avoid getting ill. Flav is one ugly, insect lookin Mofo. LOL

Name: gingerg

Comment: No, you didn't go there MER. I would care if Flav was high yellow. He is still coonin and that is that. LL and Jaime Foxx have never done anything like what he is doing and if they did, they have more than redeemed themselves with their recent work. Ok, Wanda on In Living Color was a bit much.

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: If you don't know where you come from, you can't know where you're going. For hundreds of years, black people weren't even thought of as a people. Matter of fact, a black man used to be thought of as 3/5 of a man. We were dreadful, darkies who need the white people to tell them how to live. Then there was slavery. Jim Crow. Civil Rights. If you don't know your history, then you're bound to repeat it. I know some of the younguns want to dismiss the older folk on this board as being too serious, etc., but trust me If you don't know your history, then you're bound to repeat it. Please, rent the movie SANKOFA, after you see the season finale of Flavor Flav. I tell my son all the time, there was a world before 1989, the year he was born, as hard as it is to believe. White folk know it too. Black history did not begin and end with hip hop.

Name: Gemami

Comment: As much as I’m not impressed with this season I don’t see Flava as the problem. My problem is with the women. I do agree with Nelson George that most people have a problem with Flav because he’s not attractive and having such an outlandish personality, but what makes people watch him is he is endearing, artistic and have a face only a mother could love. My problem is why did the producers have to go to every trailer parks, projects and strip club to find women for him? In the first season, not all the women swung from a pole or posed nude on the internet. What? Because he isn’t attractive, because he’s a hip hop artist classy women do not what him. For me that’s a problem. Also, the women are multi-cultural, so we can’t say this is just a Black thing. For me this is about how WOMEN are portrayed in the media and this show is just one more aspect of this negative and degrading image of women in the media.

Name: oldschoolbrother

Comment: I do not watch that show, it will not be shown in my house period. But if this brother can get a check from it and use that money to take care of his kids, hey, that is his thing. There is room for network TV to show and promote quality programming IMO. I have never even seen a neilsen box in any shape form or fashion. There are too many negative images in real life for me and mine to have to watch it again on TV. Now we all have our choices, but my choice is not to watch FOL. Peace.

Name: MediaAgent

Comment: realuvbaby : AMEN!! I was going to suggest that next. Sankofa definitely a must in the collection!

Name: gingerg

Comment: Where else were they going to get the women? You know decent looking women who have respect for themselves wouldn't want to be bothered. So, they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Name: gingerg

Comment: And what is artistic about Flav? Surely not walking around with a large clock on his chest and sporting gold fronts. Let me see. Looks doesn't have a lot to do with talent or creative bend. For example, Forrest Whitaker does not have matinee idol looks, but he is a solid actor. By the way, check him out in The King of Scotland. He plays Idi Amin and he's getting strong Oscar buzz. The brother is bad! That, I respect.

Name: nycGYRL888

Comment: The sad thing is this show will probably return for yet another season due to attention (negative and/or positive) it is receiving! Sponsors eat this crap up and VH-1 is laughing all the way to the bank! We all know that when "they" stop talking about you in the media...then and only then should you be worried!!

Name: Gurlfrand

Comment: Where is Brigette Nielson when you need her!!

Name: Southernbelle

Comment: I just took a second look at that cover photo(lol). You got to give it to him. He found a way to make ugly marketable.

Name: MER82

Comment: Oh yes I did gingerg- I went there. Its as real as real could get. And its true, classy, self-respecting sistas wouldn't go on the show to begin with--but Flav wouldn't know what to do with that kind of woman anyway. If Forrest Whitaker's unattractive azz had a 'Forrest of Love' show and he acted the way Flav did--it would be the same reaction because as a Society we are caught up in looks and appearances--but Black folk are really self-conscious about WHO it is -being broadcast to the masses...

Name: kbig

Comment: That was funny Gurlfrand. She loved her some Foofy-Foofy. Jamie Foxx in 'Bait' ; 'Caught Up'; 'Booty Call', his HBO show where he compared African women to donkeys. Yeah, a real class act!

Name: gingerg

Comment: Ok, since we're onto looks now, I could never tire of looking at Blair Underwood, Shemar Moore or Terrence Howard. However, if they were promoting stereotypical images of black men/women, I would be just as through with them as I am with Flav. You know Flav is clownin.

Name: nycGYRL888

Comment: I am with you gingerg...Blair, Boris, Tyrese, Tyson Beckford, Shemar, LL...ladies who am I missing here?? The names mentioned are just beautiful . Now Fifty is not an attractive azz...but his body...GOOD-LAWD!

Name: gingerg

Comment: You're right about Boris, Tyrese and Tyson. Do add Taye to the list, girl.

Name: gingerg

Comment: kbig: See there, I have forgotten all about Booty Call. I'll admit, Jaime Foxx was wrong for that, but ever since Ray, he's been the man.

Name: gingerg

Comment: MER: We are about to go in a whole nother direction with this thing.

Name: mydchomegirl

Comment: Calm down ladies, Taye is married to a white woman. Boris is married to Nicole Parker Kodjoe. Blair is very married with 5 children. Shemar is sweet. LL is married. Russell Simmons is single, Puffy is single, Damon Dash is single, Jay -z and Jermaine Dupree are technically single.

Name: Teigh

Comment: Damon Dash is married (Rachel Roy); and Taye's wife is Hispanic not white

Name: gingerg

Comment: Wrong. Damon Dash is married to someone. Jermaine is also spoken for. Sweet or not, Shemar is still fine. Lastly, Kim has Puffy on lock down and that amazon can keep Russell.

Name: realuvbaby

Comment: Thanks Media Agent. That was the most compelling story I have EVER seen of slavery in my life.

Name: timmdogg

Comment: Sometimes people will do some of the most daring and stupid things for that 15 minutes of fame and once the lights are off and realization sets in.. then what? I hate to see my people give-in to the sterotypes that's been portrayed by us via the media. Buffoonery is one that still haunts us to this day and this fool only exacerbates the situation as a whole. Nothing wrong with getting paid, but do you have to degrade your history for monetary gain and laughter for "whitey".... I think not! Really weird that we once regarded this fool as a voice of oppression and now to see him on the tube degrading himself and insulting our woman! I guess the title of the his album with Public Enemy sums is all up: "Fear of a BLACK PLANET" with him in it.... definitely NOT!

Name: cornbread

Comment: MAKE THAT MONEY FLAV!! Flav is just being flav. Nothing wrong with that. I'd rather see him doing stupid shows and taking care of his family than smoking crack and robbing banks. People need to shut the f-ck up. If VH-1 flashed all that money in your face, tell me you wouldn't turn it down. You a f-ckin lie if you said you would. Especially if you were dead broke like flav and no black people were trying to help this brotha and give him work. Flav ain't getting pimped. He's pimping the system and making these white folks pay his black a-- top dollar to do what he does. He ain't doing all of this for peanuts, trust me.

Name: CARLAWITHAC

Comment: "Fight The Power!" "We Gotta Fight The Powers That Be!" Make your money Flav and "don't" go back to prison. Love Ya! PE FOREVER!

Name: rikyrah

Comment: It is a Modern Day Minstrel Show and makes me sick that this is on the air, when you know that someone Black has been pushing a proposal for a Black show that does NOT have Black people looking like fools....and that person can't catch a meeting.

Name: MRSDENNIS2B

Comment: That's what's wrong with US!!! Always looking a speaking on the negative in every situation. I watch the show, for entertainment purposes only. It does not make me feel degraded in any way, shape of form. These women (who all show up for "Casting Calls" to be on the show), are not forced to be there nor is anyone forced to watch! Flavor Flav has always been the same person we see on this show, and I whouldn't call it Buffoonery or anything like that. It's just the way he is, period!!! There are way more important issues that should be discussed and/or debated besides this "Reality TV Show". Face it, it is what it is.......Pure entertainment only!!!

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